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Old 02-06-2014, 01:31 PM
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I've been searching the Strongs again. This time looking for the devil.

It turns out the word devil is actually the greek diablos. Diablos is a generic term. It roughly equates to the term slander er. So it seems the devil is not a person but an action or form of behavior. Anyone could be said, from time to time, to be a slander er or one who insults without cause. That does not mean it is without significance. Jesus said that anyone who calls the Holy Spirit a devil, or slander er in in real trouble with the Father. No fuel for the devil.

So I looked up Satan. Seems that saten is not really a name either. It is the term applied to the cheif of the fallen spirits, in other words the cheif slander er or devil or the old serpent. The old serpent is the most accurate term for what we call the devil.

So I looked for Lucifer. Again no traction. Lucifer does not exist in the original Hebrew scripture. Lucifer just means 'light bringer', a Latin word in a Hebrew text. Opps!

So whats going on here guys? (Gals) Any educational or instructive comments about this?
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:05 PM
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I've been searching the Strongs again. This time looking for the devil.

It turns out the word devil is actually the greek diablos. Diablos is a generic term. It roughly equates to the term slander er. So it seems the devil is not a person but an action or form of behavior. Anyone could be said, from time to time, to be a slander er or one who insults without cause. That does not mean it is without significance. Jesus said that anyone who calls the Holy Spirit a devil, or slander er in in real trouble with the Father. No fuel for the devil.

So I looked up Satan. Seems that saten is not really a name either. It is the term applied to the cheif of the fallen spirits, in other words the cheif slander er or devil or the old serpent. The old serpent is the most accurate term for what we call the devil.

So I looked for Lucifer. Again no traction. Lucifer does not exist in the original Hebrew scripture. Lucifer just means 'light bringer', a Latin word in a Hebrew text. Opps!

So whats going on here guys? (Gals) Any educational or instructive comments about this?
I believe that dia bolo means to "across throw" as in the devil seeks to throw himself across God's Plan of Salvation.

Lucifer means "light bearer".

The devil is the spirit of blasphemy.
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Old 02-06-2014, 04:58 PM
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The devil is the influence on our free will that causes us to sin.
We can see God through Christ as a Man.
We can see the devil through ourselves as we try to identify with Christ.
That doesn't mean we can fully comprehend what the looks like or what he is just as much as we can try the same for God.

The devil is the mystery that science tries to discover and label on what causes chemical imbalances and illness and crime.
These words barely touch on who the devil is.

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The devil knows us even better than we do ourselves.
That is why he can accuse us.
God knows us even better.
He gets the final judgement which He handed over to His Son because He was tempted by the devil just like we are.
Look to the Son to rid ourselves of the influence of the devil.
The devil who can masquerade as light.
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Old 02-07-2014, 06:05 PM
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I've been searching the Strongs again. This time looking for the devil.

It turns out the word devil is actually the greek diablos. Diablos is a generic term. It roughly equates to the term slander er. So it seems the devil is not a person but an action or form of behavior. Anyone could be said, from time to time, to be a slander er or one who insults without cause. That does not mean it is without significance. Jesus said that anyone who calls the Holy Spirit a devil, or slander er in in real trouble with the Father. No fuel for the devil.

So I looked up Satan. Seems that saten is not really a name either. It is the term applied to the cheif of the fallen spirits, in other words the cheif slander er or devil or the old serpent. The old serpent is the most accurate term for what we call the devil.

So I looked for Lucifer. Again no traction. Lucifer does not exist in the original Hebrew scripture. Lucifer just means 'light bringer', a Latin word in a Hebrew text. Opps!

So whats going on here guys? (Gals) Any educational or instructive comments about this?
His first appearance in the bible is Job.
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His first appearance in the bible is Job.
There is Genesis 3 if the serpent is considered to be the devil, Satan.
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:02 PM
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I've been searching the Strongs again. This time looking for the devil.
The is a devil and even devils.

The devil is the man or even the men. The devil is the father of liars and was he not that first man Adam and each of his descendants. Every man without Life is a liar and descendant not of Abraham (Spiritually not) but descendant (carnally) of the first liar. Perhaps if not the first man Adam it was Caine (spiritually and physically?)?

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John 8:44


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It turns out the word devil is actually the greek diablos. Diablos is a generic term. It roughly equates to the term slander er. So it seems the devil is not a person but an action or form of behavior. Anyone could be said, from time to time, to be a slander er or one who insults without cause.
"Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" John 6:70

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That does not mean it is without significance. Jesus said that anyone who calls the Holy Spirit a devil, or slander er in in real trouble with the Father. No fuel for the devil.

So I looked up Satan. Seems that saten is not really a name either. It is the term applied to the cheif of the fallen spirits, in other words the cheif slander er or devil or the old serpent. The old serpent is the most accurate term for what we call the devil.
Who is the chief one of slanderers, but he who slanders the most or the worst among men?

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So I looked for Lucifer. Again no traction. Lucifer does not exist in the original Hebrew scripture. Lucifer just means 'light bringer', a Latin word in a Hebrew text. Opps!

Again I am with you. In the KJV the word "Lucifer" is only found one time:

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Isaiah 14:12

The heaven the "light bringer" fell from was NOT the heaven where no sin can enter or can occur. If he was an angel, a messenger, even a messenger from God with a good message, he fell from his place and his light became darkness as the first man fell from the light within the Garden to the darkness without. Was he not "cut down to the ground" of which he must eat and which he must plough and to which he must return?

Have no messengers of God ever fallen from His Light? See I Kings 13 and more recently consider the case of Jimmy Swaggert.


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So whats going on here guys? (Gals) Any educational or instructive comments about this?
Perhaps men have built up a house on a foundation of sand and now as we look around the modern so called "Christian" world, we see some crumbling.

Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain." Psalm 127:1
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Old 02-08-2014, 11:35 AM
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I would agree Amadeus. Much of what is causing the Christian world stress is not the destruction of truth, it is the shaking and falling off of all that is not truth. I was never so glad as when our hypocritical celebration of the saviors birth fell apart. It was never about trees and getting presents and fat santa. It was about Christ come to teach truth. Who knows, maybe we could track down the easter bunny and have him for lunch. There's still more shaking to come. But truth cannot be shaken.
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Old 02-08-2014, 01:45 PM
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... There's still more shaking to come. But truth cannot be shaken.

Yes, more shaking to come, but those who trust in Him, in Truth, will stand firmly on the solid Rock of our Lord. Our trust in the things of this world is misplaced. Is not then our trust in the carnal ability of man a trust in the very devil?
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Old 02-09-2014, 09:11 AM
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I do not believe that making much out of the entrance into our world of our Savior is hypocritical.
How is that possible? How is it possible for you to say that to celebrate the birth of the Lord Jesus is wrong? If you do not believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ then that's on you but you cannot tell another not to hold it as sacred that God came into the world as a baby.

As to the devil, if you have been persuaded that there is not one then you have bypassed any "proof" there is in scripture and surrounding you in everyday life.

I would not say there is a shaking as much as a closing of doors and a separating of sheep and goats.
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