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Old 03-10-2014, 02:00 AM
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When we come to Christ in Salvation, are there any Stipulations, Requirements, which have been imposed upon us, with regards to our receiving Gods' Grace?

Eph. 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Gods' Grace is a Gift, are there Stipulations upon a Gift?

So yes, the word Unconditional is correct, God has not placed upon our Forgiveness any Stipulations, or Requirements, our Forgiveness is a Gift.

Unconditional:
adj.
1.not limited by conditions; absolute:

Synonyms:

unmitigated
indubitable
unequivocal
unlimited
positive
explicit
definite
complete
unqualified
categorical.

At what point did, does Gods' Forgiveness become Conditional, with Stipulations, and Requirements?
What hoop did you jump through, to attain Forgiveness, Salvation?


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Biblical faith is made up of many components not covered by dictionary definition.
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[i]Faith taken by itself does indeed have many components as you say, but the Faith being spoken of in the context of this verse is what is pertinent, where does this Faith come from?
If it must originate from us, as a stipulation for receiving Gods' Forgiveness, then there are conditions we must meet, ie, (Not Unconditional)
But if this Faith is, a component of the Grace given by God in order for the person to receive the gift of Forgiveness of sins and Salvation, then there is no stipulation required by God in that sense.

My contention is, (Faith) is part and parcel of the Gift of Grace, it is not something which we have to bring to the table in order for us to attain Forgiveness, Faith is given to the person whom God Draws to receive Forgiveness.
Faith is not used in order for the person to come to God, before He is actually drawn by God to do so.


There were disciples who followed Jesus, they were drawn to Christ but when the sayings got too hard they departed. Their faith wasn't sufficient.
All the disciples deserted Christ at His arrest and didn't have much faith until after the resurrection when they saw Him.

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Because it is said.
Heb. 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

The Purpose of John’s Gospel

30 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.


Many read the book and think oh c'mon a man living in a whale or a talking donkey and parting of the sea and have no inclination to get to the spirit.

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At what point does the person believe that He is, believing in God enough to come to Him in Faith, believing for Forgiveness and ultimately Salvation?
I don't know if the drawing to God is for forgiveness and salvation.
To me it starts out for a sense of worth. A sense of belonging. Reasoning.
The conscience is then awakened.
The conscience has always been there.
Faith is to believe that He Is and to love.
Seek first the Kingdom of God.

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I do not believe until he is Drawn by God to do so.
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.

He chose us, not the other way around.
I do not disagree with this.

The breath of life comes from God so ultimately that is the very source of our existence and what we are drawn to.
When you are owned it is more than being chosen.
God owns breath that gives life.
We all have that spirit.

23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

Seems like co contributing factors.
Ultimately it all comes from God so you are not incorrect.

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If there are any stipulations placed upon our Forgiveness and ultimate Salvation, then God Himself through Jesus Christ has met all of those stipulations for us, that it is truly a gift of Gods' Grace and not of ourselves.

Eph. 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

For by grace are ye saved, not by ourselves, we can't save ourselves, it is a gift from God rewarded for our faith is how I read that.

We have to have faith.
Then there is the inner sanctuary, the curtain, the blood of Christ, the baptism of water and spirit.
So many intricate details that present in faith.
From the depth of our breath that has us believing just that bit more than disciples who desert.
Just that bit more than those you speak of continually confessing.
You seem to find stipulations for them.
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:19 AM
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In 1115 A.D., during the Dark Ages, the practice of Confession became an Article of Faith in the Roman Catholic Church. At this time, Catholics began confessing sins to priests. Here are two powerful scriptures we all need to study:

"Wherefore, Holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus:" (Hebrews 3:1)
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15)
Since Christ Jesus became a Man, He was touched with feeling and understanding our sin. Yet, He was completely WITHOUT SIN. This is why Christ Jesus alone is our Priest, our High Priest, the only One to whom we need to confess our sins. We can be forever grateful for Christ Jesus' perfect priesthood.
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In 1115 A.D., during the Dark Ages, the practice of Confession became an Article of Faith in the Roman Catholic Church..........
Then how do you explain the fact that it has always been the practice of the Eastern Orthodox too, long before that date?

That is one of the worst pieces of false, misleading information I have ever seen posted. Where did you get that nonsense from anyway?
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Old 03-13-2014, 08:56 AM
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In 1115 A.D., during the Dark Ages, the practice of Confession became an Article of Faith in the Roman Catholic Church. At this time, Catholics began confessing sins to priests. Here are two powerful scriptures we all need to study:

"Wherefore, Holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus:" (Hebrews 3:1)
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15)
Since Christ Jesus became a Man, He was touched with feeling and understanding our sin. Yet, He was completely WITHOUT SIN. This is why Christ Jesus alone is our Priest, our High Priest, the only One to whom we need to confess our sins. We can be forever grateful for Christ Jesus' perfect priesthood.
What is an Alter Call if not "confession"? It may be less formal and less frequent, but...........
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The alter call was popularized by frontier camp meetings and Charles Finney's "anxious bench," the altar call became popular in the 1830s when the preaching of Charles G. Finney rejected Calvinistic teaching.........
So its a tradition of men, invented by men, 1,800 years after Christ's death. Is that a fair statement?
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What is an Alter Call if not "confession"? It may be less formal and less frequent, but...........
It's an Altar call, is it not=). In a way it is (confession).
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