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Basically, it is about the Churches road to Evangelization in the modern world.

Evangelii Gaudium, Apostolic Exhortation of Pope Francis, 2013
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Basically, it is about the Churches road to Evangelization in the modern world.

Evangelii Gaudium, Apostolic Exhortation of Pope Francis, 2013
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Evangelii Gaudium, Apostolic Exhortation of Pope Francis, 2013
I am struck, Ron, by the comprehensiveness of the teaching that he is presenting in the exhortation. At one point Pope Francis states:

Person to person


127. Today, as the Church seeks to experience a profound missionary renewal, there is a kind of preaching which falls to each of us as a daily responsibility. It has to do with bringing the Gospel to the people we meet, whether they be our neighbours or complete strangers. This is the informal preaching which takes place in the middle of a conversation, something along the lines of what a missionary does when visiting a home. Being a disciple means being constantly ready to bring the love of Jesus to others, and this can happen unexpectedly and in any place: on the street, in a city square, during work, on a journey.


128. In this preaching, which is always respectful and gentle, the first step is personal dialogue, when the other person speaks and shares his or her joys, hopes and concerns for loved ones, or so many other heartfelt needs. Only afterwards is it possible to bring up God’s word, perhaps by reading a Bible verse or relating a story, but always keeping in mind the fundamental message: the personal love of God who became man, who gave himself up for us, who is living and who offers us his salvation and his friendship. This message has to be shared humbly as a testimony on the part of one who is always willing to learn, in the awareness that the message is so rich and so deep that it always exceeds our grasp. At times the message can be presented directly, at times by way of a personal witness or gesture, or in a way which the Holy Spirit may suggest in that particular situation. If it seems prudent and if the circumstances are right, this fraternal and missionary encounter could end with a brief prayer related to the concerns which the person may have expressed. In this way they will have an experience of being listened to and understood; they will know that their particular situation has been placed before God, and that God’s word really speaks to their lives.


129. We should not think, however, that the Gospel message must always be communicated by fixed formulations learned by heart or by specific words which express an absolutely invariable content. This communication takes place in so many different ways that it would be impossible to describe or catalogue them all, and God’s people, with all their many gestures and signs, are its collective subject. If the Gospel is embedded in a culture, the message is no longer transmitted solely from person to person. In countries where Christianity is a minority, then, along with encouraging each of the baptized to proclaim the Gospel, particular Churches should actively promote at least preliminary forms of inculturation. The ultimate aim should be that the Gospel, as preached in categories proper to each culture, will create a new synthesis with that particular culture. This is always a slow process and at we can be overly fearful. But if we allow doubts and fears to dampen our courage, instead of being creative we will remain comfortable and make no progress whatsoever. In this case we will not take an active part in historical processes, but become mere onlookers as the Church gradually stagnates.


What he states in 128 seems to be the crux of it for the Catholic laity in their part in the evangelization that the Catholic Church is stressing at this time, and, this has application in the forum.

Charisms at the service of a communion which evangelizes


130. The Holy Spirit also enriches the entire evangelizing Church with different charisms. These gifts are meant to renew and build up the Church.[108] They are not an inheritance, safely secured and entrusted to a small group for safekeeping; rather they are gifts of the Spirit integrated into the body of the Church, drawn to the centre which is Christ and then channelled into an evangelizing impulse. A sure sign of the authenticity of a charism is its ecclesial character, its ability to be integrated harmoniously into the life of God’s holy and faithful people for the good of all. Something truly new brought about by the Spirit need not overshadow other gifts and spiritualities in making itself felt. To the extent that a charism is better directed to the heart of the Gospel, its exercise will be more ecclesial. It is in communion, even when this proves painful, that a charism is seen to be authentic and mysteriously fruitful. On the basis of her response to this challenge, the Church can be a model of peace in our world.


131. Differences between persons and communities can sometimes prove uncomfortable, but the Holy Spirit, who is the source of that diversity, can bring forth something good from all things and turn it into an attractive means of evangelization. Diversity must always be reconciled by the help of the Holy Spirit; he alone can raise up diversity, plurality and multiplicity while at the same time bringing about unity. When we, for our part, aspire to diversity, we become self-enclosed, exclusive and divisive; similarly, whenever we attempt to create unity on the basis of our human calculations, we end up imposing a monolithic uniformity. This is not helpful for the Church’s mission.


I find that 130-131 resonates well with a Quaker. It can only be through the Spirit that an authentic growth in evangelization occurs and a unity of believers of differing theologies can be achieved.

I would recommend that everyone read this exhortation. There is a lot of good in it and can serve well as a basis for further discussions in the forum.


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So what is the Pope's economic theory? I don't think it's socialism or communism; and he condemns "trickle-down" theories in this. I agree with him; but what alternative theory does he offer?

53. Just as the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say “thou shalt not” to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills. How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points? This is a case of exclusion. Can we continue to stand by when food is thrown away while people are starving? This is a case of inequality. Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized: without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape.


Human beings are themselves considered consumer goods to be used and then discarded. We have created a “disposable” culture which is now spreading. It is no longer simply about exploitation and oppression, but something new. Exclusion ultimately has to do with what it means to be a part of the society in which we live; those excluded are no longer society’s underside or its fringes or its disenfranchised – they are no longer even a part of it. The excluded are not the “exploited” but the outcast, the “leftovers”.


54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.


I don't see where he's going with this idea.
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^^^I suppose, Kerry, that it has to do with Catholic evangelization, if it is in the context of the exhortation.

One cannot speak of Christ while turning one's eyes away from societal injustice. The concentration of wealth has a damaging effect in society. I am struck by the fact that the Pope is very hostile towards it.

We shall see how Pope Francis will develop his teaching on this in future encyclicals.


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So what is the Pope's economic theory?.........
I wish the Church would not comment on such things. The Church's mission is to spread the Gospel. It has not had too much success when straying from that mission.
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I wish the Church would not comment on such things. The Church's mission is to spread the Gospel. It has not had too much success when straying from that mission.
It confuses me. I agree that money-hungry "capitalists" can go too far; but what is the solution? What is the alternative? When children are working in coal mines in India to make someone money, I think that's definitely evil. I think it's evil the way China has so many mine disasters because of unsafe working conditions. And yes, I think it's evil for American companies to make money by moving operations out of America and into places where they have low wages and unsafe working conditions. It's bad for Americans and it's bad for those people. I can see that. To me, that's not "free competition" in a truly open market place. It's exploitation. I don't think we can expect people to want to be Christians if they perceive Christians are actively oppressing them. I think that's the Pope's point.

What I don't like (and I really don't like it) is that while criticizing capitalism, no alternative is given. No suggestions are given for politicians to follow if they find them sensible.

Take the "trickle-down" theory. Right now, we exempt things from certain countries from paying import duties; and the theory is that this is to encourage jobs in the poorest countries. It could work and it should work if we did it right. It is not working however. Countries like Bangladesh should be told their goods will continue to be given exemption from paying import duties only if they raise wages and improve safety over time. What is happening is that "capitalists" are taking advantage of cheap labor there and want to keep it that way. Things are not getting better. The wealth is not trickling down. What we saw were jobs being sent to foreign countries out of this country -- hurting the American economy without improving conditions in countries like Bangladesh.

The theory behind NAFTA was that it would improve things in Mexico. What went wrong? If we sent so many jobs to Mexico, why do so many Mexicans still want to come to the USA? Something isn't working right. Someone is getting rich though -- and I don't think it's good for most Americans or most Mexicans.

My opinion is that if the Pope isn't going to get more specific, his words can be used the wrong way. We've seen how radicals twisted things in the past in South America with "Liberation Theology."
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So what is the Pope's economic theory? I don't think it's socialism or communism; and he condemns "trickle-down" theories in this. I agree with him; but what alternative theory does he offer?

53. Just as the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say “thou shalt not” to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills. How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points? This is a case of exclusion. Can we continue to stand by when food is thrown away while people are starving? This is a case of inequality. Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized: without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape.


Human beings are themselves considered consumer goods to be used and then discarded. We have created a “disposable” culture which is now spreading. It is no longer simply about exploitation and oppression, but something new. Exclusion ultimately has to do with what it means to be a part of the society in which we live; those excluded are no longer society’s underside or its fringes or its disenfranchised – they are no longer even a part of it. The excluded are not the “exploited” but the outcast, the “leftovers”.


54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.


I don't see where he's going with this idea.
The alternative theory he has to offer I would say is in his entire delivery.
Love in so many words.

Some would wonder if he would consider selling off artifacts and property to trickle down to the excluded?
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The alternative theory he has to offer I would say is in his entire delivery.
Love in so many words.

Some would wonder if he would consider selling off artifacts and property to trickle down to the excluded?
Selling some things can be counterproductive. He is donating the motorcycle the Harley Davidson people gave him.

The sale of the motorcycle will fund the renovation of Caritas’ Don Luigi di Liegro Hostel and Soup Kitchen at Rome’s Termini station. The two projects have operated since 1987 to help relieve the suffering of about 1,000 people every day, Caritas Rome reports.

Read more: Pope to Auction Harley Davidson Motorcycle to Benefit Homeless | Daily News | NCRegister.com


He's not selling the Renault someone gave him however.

In September, the Pope accepted an Italian priest’s gift of a used Renault 4 with 186,000 miles on its odometer.

I read he drives himself around in it.
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"While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation.

Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules".

Well said.
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