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Old 11-15-2013, 06:07 AM
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The Bible says God is Spirit. Jesus says we must worship Him in spirit and in truth. Please share how we can worship Him in spirit and truth.

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The Bible says God is Spirit. Jesus says we must worship Him in spirit and in truth. Please share how we can worship Him in spirit and truth.

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I would say by walking in that light that we have been given. I will speak of this by speaking of a memory of the past. Memory discloses that of God, as Augustine of Hippo so eloquently spoke of in the Confessions.

The recent weather in the place that I live, Montana, has brought the first winter snow storms. It has brought back memories of when I had walked as a small boy in the foothills of Bald Butte in the Judith Mountains.

As I remember, I was up in the foothills of the great mountain in the early evening. The snow was whirling wildly about shrouding up the ground, the frozen grasses and rocks, the dull green of the pines, despite the sound of the wind that roared through them, despite the continual shaking of the snow off those pines. There was the continual roar of the wind through the pines which added a harmony, a kind of music, to the oncoming storm.

The storm set in and visibility began to drop and I had to consider getting off of the mountain and returning to my parent's cabin that was further down the mountain's slopes. Then in the swirling snow, and the cloud, the haze of white that enshrouds vision, I observed a blacktail buck deer come out of the snow and haze followed by several smaller does. The buck with dark serene eyes gazed at me, the snow settling down on his gray and brown fur. He seemed to stand his ground and challenge me. The smaller, more timid does following the buck, sensing danger ahead of them, also stopped and became motionless. After a long moment, the snow enshrouded the deer and I could no longer see them.

I approached to where they had stood where I had seen them. They were gone. There were no tracks in the snow because the wind and bl**ing snow was covering all tracks, all trace of movement in the snow.

For a moment, I wondered what I had seen, if I had seen it truly. I remembered, though, what my grandfather told me about taking the time to see something. Did I take the time to see it truly? I had truly seen it despite the fact that I no longer had trace of what I had seen. That sometimes happens in the wild.

So it is in matters of the Spirit. We are shrouded by all that which affects what we see in life, the snow and cloudy haze of self and others that impedes the ability to see the divine interworkings in things. We have to be silent to hear that which is being sounded at the moment.

God comes to us in Spirit; and, because of the experience, we know that it is from God. All Christian spiritual writers are agreed on this, even emphatic about these experiences. But we also have the light that we have been given by God, we see by His grace. The Spirit and the light engifted us forms the words of the Word delivered to us. The Word out of the wordless Word that emerges out of the great silence.

Shall we do what the Word says? Did it illuminate the written Word of God, the Bible that we cherish? Is it helping us to worship God as we ought?

But sometimes, the snow and cloudy haze of self and others that impedes the ability to see the workings of God's Spirit permits, if we are not faithful, a questioning of the Word that has been given to us. We can still lose it, much like I had lost the vision of the buck and does upon the snow shrouded hillside. It is in the light that we have that the Spirit brings disclosure. The light is God's Light engifted unto us, a working of His grace.

Let us cling and walk in the light of the Spirit as God has given us.



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The Bible says God is Spirit. Jesus says we must worship Him in spirit and in truth. Please share how we can worship Him in spirit and truth.

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By being in that spirit.
Dead to the flesh.
Dying as much as we can by imagination of what is spirit, inspiring the heart.

Isaiah 66:2
Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word.


Loving the Holy Spirit who implants this truth.
Coming from God through loving the Son.

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To my ears, "Spirit and Truth" means not just spirit. It means also Truth, which need not be spirit.

So we worship in spirit, but also in truth, truth being the Eucharist, Baptism, good works, and a whole host of things.
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To my ears, "Spirit and Truth" means not just spirit. It means also Truth, which need not be spirit.

So we worship in spirit, but also in truth, truth being the Eucharist, Baptism, good works, and a whole host of things.
Is God made of wood or statue ?

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So we worship in spirit, but also in truth, truth being the Eucharist, Baptism, good works, and a whole host of things.
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Is God made of wood or statue ?
No He is not. Did I say He was?

I am trying to say that "Spirit and Truth" means we worship Him in Spirit AND in whatever is True, and true things can be other than spirit, such as the Eucharist, Baptism, good works, and a whole host of things.

Spirit and Truth does not mean Spirit alone. If it did, then Jesus would have just said to worship in Spirit only.
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No He is not. Did I say He was?

I am trying to say that "Spirit and Truth" meas we worship Him in Spirit AND in whatever is True, and true things can be other that spirit, such as the Eucharist, Baptism, good works, and a whole host of things.

Spirit and Truth does not mean Spirit alone. If it did, then Jesus would have just said to worship in Spirit only.
And the TRUTH became FLESH. Can't forget that.
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Thats true as well
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21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

In this portion of the conversation, Jesus is discussing worship with the Samarian woman. He is foreshadowing the replacement of the Mosaic law with the Higher law. At this time, most worship was done through the law and it's rituals, Jesus taught worship through obedience to the principles, or spirit, behind the laws. He taught that why we do things is as important as what we do.

Our Heavenly Father is not impressed with hypocritical obedience. He want's us to do the right thing, because it's the right thing, not because it's required by the law. This is how we worship in spirit, be being sincere in our obedience to and love for Him.
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Old 11-22-2013, 06:07 PM
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We stay focused on the truth and believe that truth enough to walk in it.
Its one thing to believe in God. Its another thing to believe God. When we believe God, we listen to His advice on living and try to do it.

The problem Jesus had with the Jewish leadership was that they used the Law against itself, looking for loopholes, and using those loopholes to do as they pleased. They might as well just be an unbelieving Gentile, because they're heart is not in it. Following the intention of the Law is the Spirit.
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