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Old 07-24-2013, 07:27 PM
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We have been discussing if we can or can not lose our salvation, but we have not discussed how we get saved. So let us go back and share how do we get saved.

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Old 07-24-2013, 07:44 PM
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We are saved by grace. Grace comes through faith, which is expressed in good works for we are called to be God's workmanship to do God's good works rather than our own works.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:38 PM
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We have been discussing if we can or can not lose our salvation, but we have not discussed how we get saved. So let us go back and share how do we get saved.

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It's a process. One chooses to follow Christ, then they must repent and be baptized. After that it is a life long process of working out our salvation with fear and trembling before the Lord so that we may hope in our Salvation.

We have been saved, we are being saved, we will be saved
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Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the malice and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls. Amen.
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:55 PM
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Default How do we get saved ?

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The wrath of God is interesting. For example:

†. Isa 13:9 . . Behold, the day of The Lord comes-- cruel; with both wrath and fierce anger

The Hebrew word for "wrath" in that statement is `ebrah (eb-raw') which indicates an outburst of
passion. In other words: the wrath of God doesn't weep big wet crocodile tears while it's
punishing people at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15; no, they will be
terminated with extreme prejudice; viz: the wrath of God will be furious against them. (cf. Isa
63:1-6, Rev 19:15)

Webster's defines "fierce" as a behavior exhibited by humans and animals that inspires terror
because of the wild and menacing aspect of fury in attack. Ferocity is an aspect commonly seen
among roaring, snarling lions savagely attacking prey. There's neither sportsmanship nor
sympathy in ferocity; only sheer terror, brutality, and blood lust.

"cruel" is defined as: disposed to inflict pain or suffering; viz: devoid of humane feelings

†. Heb 10:27 . . A certain fearful expectation of . . . fiery indignation

"fiery indignation" is quite a bit more severe than ordinary indignation. "fiery" speaks of
someone who is seriously ticked off; and so angry that they're actually red in the face.

There are people out there in cyberspace who have been so brain-washed by heresy, greeting
cards, religious art, Broadway plays, Christmas carols, and Hollywood movies that they have no
concept of the magnitude of the fecal storm they're headed into.

An interesting aspect of the wrath of God is the person appointed to administer it-- none other
than the sweet little baby away in a manger.

†. John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all
should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

†. Acts 17:31 . . For God has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he
has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.

†. Rev 19:15 . . He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (cf. Isa
63:1-6)

However; the wrath of God is easily avoidable; for instance:

Jesus related John 3:14-16 to an incident in the Old Testament where Yhvh's people grumbled
about the quality of God's providence and insolently demanded a better diet. (Num 21:5-9). So in
retribution; God sent a swarm of deadly snakes among them and whoever was bitten faced
certain death; no exceptions. The snakes were very toxic.

So when the people realized the consequences of their error, they begged Moses to intercede for
them, and in response, God had Moses construct a replica of the deadly snakes and hoist it up on
a pole where everyone could see it. Whoever looked to the replica was cured; in point of fact,
that replica was their only God-given means of curing snake bite. Nothing else would work: not
charity, not sacrifices, not scapulars, not Bible study, not Sunday school, not commandments, not
church attendance, not synagogue attendance, not Sabbaths, not holy days of obligation, not
yeshiva, not catechism, not holy water, not penance, not sacraments, not even their choice of
religion-- in point of fact: nothing that most people typically associate with salvation would
work; not even prayer: only that replica.

Jesus appropriated that incident to illustrate that everyone's default afterlife destiny is hell; and
the only remedy for their situation is reliance upon his crucifixion. Failure to look to his crucifixion
for adequate protection from the wrath of God is an eo ipso guarantee of perishing in the reservoir
of liquefied flame depicted at Rev 20:11-15: no exceptions. In point of fact, disbelievers are dead
men walking even as we speak; viz: toast on the hoof-- no delay, and no waiting period.

†. John 3:16-18 . . God didn't send His son into the world to condemn the world, but that the
world through him might be spared. He who believes in him is not condemned; but he who
disbelieves is condemned already.


Buen Camino
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:20 PM
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Default Re: How do we get saved ?

Do the children born into a Christian family become Christians, by virtue of the Parents Belief, Custom, or Tradition, according to the New Covenant.
There are many Christians who believe they can and do.

JIM
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:22 PM
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The wrath of God is interesting. For example:

†. Isa 13:9 . . Behold, the day of The Lord comes-- cruel; with both wrath and fierce anger

The Hebrew word for "wrath" in that statement is `ebrah (eb-raw') which indicates an outburst of
passion. In other words: the wrath of God doesn't weep big wet crocodile tears while it's
punishing people at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15; no, they will be
terminated with extreme prejudice; viz: the wrath of God will be furious against them. (cf. Isa
63:1-6, Rev 19:15)

Webster's defines "fierce" as a behavior exhibited by humans and animals that inspires terror
because of the wild and menacing aspect of fury in attack. Ferocity is an aspect commonly seen
among roaring, snarling lions savagely attacking prey. There's neither sportsmanship nor
sympathy in ferocity; only sheer terror, brutality, and blood lust.

"cruel" is defined as: disposed to inflict pain or suffering; viz: devoid of humane feelings

†. Heb 10:27 . . A certain fearful expectation of . . . fiery indignation

"fiery indignation" is quite a bit more severe than ordinary indignation. "fiery" speaks of
someone who is seriously ticked off; and so angry that they're actually red in the face.

There are people out there in cyberspace who have been so brain-washed by heresy, greeting
cards, religious art, Broadway plays, Christmas carols, and Hollywood movies that they have no
concept of the magnitude of the fecal storm they're headed into.

An interesting aspect of the wrath of God is the person appointed to administer it-- none other
than the sweet little baby away in a manger.

†. John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all
should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

†. Acts 17:31 . . For God has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he
has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.

†. Rev 19:15 . . He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (cf. Isa
63:1-6)

However; the wrath of God is easily avoidable; for instance:

Jesus related John 3:14-16 to an incident in the Old Testament where Yhvh's people grumbled
about the quality of God's providence and insolently demanded a better diet. (Num 21:5-9). So in
retribution; God sent a swarm of deadly snakes among them and whoever was bitten faced
certain death; no exceptions. The snakes were very toxic.

So when the people realized the consequences of their error, they begged Moses to intercede for
them, and in response, God had Moses construct a replica of the deadly snakes and hoist it up on
a pole where everyone could see it. Whoever looked to the replica was cured; in point of fact,
that replica was their only God-given means of curing snake bite. Nothing else would work: not
charity, not sacrifices, not scapulars, not Bible study, not Sunday school, not commandments, not
church attendance, not synagogue attendance, not Sabbaths, not holy days of obligation, not
yeshiva, not catechism, not holy water, not penance, not sacraments, not even their choice of
religion-- in point of fact: nothing that most people typically associate with salvation would
work; not even prayer: only that replica.

Jesus appropriated that incident to illustrate that everyone's default afterlife destiny is hell; and
the only remedy for their situation is reliance upon his crucifixion. Failure to look to his crucifixion
for adequate protection from the wrath of God is an eo ipso guarantee of perishing in the reservoir
of liquefied flame depicted at Rev 20:11-15: no exceptions. In point of fact, disbelievers are dead
men walking even as we speak; viz: toast on the hoof-- no delay, and no waiting period.

†. John 3:16-18 . . God didn't send His son into the world to condemn the world, but that the
world through him might be spared. He who believes in him is not condemned; but he who
disbelieves is condemned already.


Buen Camino
/
weberhome02 wrote his main point :the only remedy for their situation is reliance upon his crucifixion. Failure to look to his crucifixion
for adequate protection from the wrath of God is an eo ipso guarantee of perishing in the reservoir.

Comment:When we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, I believe we accept everything that Jesus represent that includes His sacrifice, blood, body, teachings , commands, words, Spirit,and resurrection, and His Deity.

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Old 07-24-2013, 10:24 PM
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Do the children born into a Christian family become Christians, by virtue of the Parents Belief, Custom, or Tradition, according to the New Covenant.
There are many Christians who believe they can and do.

JIM
I believe we have to make a conscious decision on our own to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and really mean it.

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We are saved by grace. Grace comes through faith, which is expressed in good works for we are called to be God's workmanship to do God's good works rather than our own works.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
I would like to clarify , does faith together with good works or faith with good works to follow ?

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Old 07-24-2013, 10:30 PM
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It's a process. One chooses to follow Christ, then they must repent and be baptized. After that it is a life long process of working out our salvation with fear and trembling before the Lord so that we may hope in our Salvation.

We have been saved, we are being saved, we will be saved
Do you agree with Selene ?

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We have been discussing if we can or can not lose our salvation, but we have not discussed how we get saved. So let us go back and share how do we get saved.

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It culminates in moving through the curtain.
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