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Old 02-06-2013, 11:24 PM
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Re spirits in Prison and the common view

The common view misunderstands the antitype Peter sees in Baptism, he clearly said this isn't about water: "(not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (1Pe 3:21 NKJ)

The antitype then is

12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. (Col 2:12 NKJ)

Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
(Rom 6:4 NKJ)


These aren't orphan texts, Peter is expositing a theme, verse 17 states his purpose:

17 For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

Then Peter cites Christ's example and the good that came from suffering for good and not evil:

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, (1Pe 3:17-18 NKJ)

So the tangible result of saving many who were lost CONFIRMS its "better, if it’s the will of God, to suffer".


(The magnificent gymnastics Greek Masters perform forcing the "common view" upon the context confirms how inelegant it truly is. )

So the TYPE Christ descending to these FOREMERLY DISOBEDIENT spirits in prison and preaching the gospel to them, and they answered with a good conscience toward God and so they ascended with Christ into the heavenlies.

The ANTITYPE is how Christ descended to preach to the church and the answer of a good conscience also saved them and therefore they also ascended with Christ.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. (Eph 2:4-7 NKJ)


Peter anticipated the common view, and tried to prevent its advance by denying he talked about water washing filth of the flesh.





The common view also refuses to believe the same as Peter regarding the Nephilim and Sons of God in Gen c. 6.

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; (2Pe 2:4 NKJ)

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; (Jud 1:6 NKJ)


The following can be deduced or induced from the Bible, space (and time!) does not allow me to detail the premises under girding every conclusion.

Scripture says both the Nephilim (Satan's angels) and the "Sons of God" (God's angels) were contemporaries; The latter sent to counteract the Devil's rebellion against God.

Evil men conspired with Satan and the Nephilm to seduce them with beautiful women.

Both Nephilim and angelic sons of God had offspring…."men of renown" (who likely built Pumapunku).

These all died in the flood. God wouldn't allow the angels flee
. Angels are physical beings (Gen c. 6; 18) in the "Complete" (TELEIOS) and can be visible or invisible here in the "Partial" (MEROS)--1 Cor 13:10...but when the Flood came "all that was on the dry land, died. (Gen 7:22 NKJ)

The angels were sent to Tatarus and bound in chains to await Judgment Day for the heinous crime of corrupting the image of God in man with angelic DNA, forcing God Flood the earth to destroy the abomination.

Satan's war against the Seed by defiling its lineage, failed. Noah was perfect in his generations, angelic DNA free.

Their human angel children being neither human or angel, were separated…those who repented were sent to prison to await what would be done to them. These Christ made a special trip to because they were a special case.

Those hybrid human spirits who refused to repent became unclean spirits roaming the earth seeking corporeal pleasures, to fill up the measure of their sins.


The rest of Satan's angels, who didn't have intercourse with humans…remain in third heaven accusing the brethren till they are cast out.


When they are cast out is when it will again be like the Days of Noah, the Nephilim will return to gather humanity against Christ, via the antichrist…pretending to be UFO aliens sent to help mankind.

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Old 02-21-2013, 09:40 AM
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But Jehovah God NEVER had any plans for human suffering. We those who suffer for the name of Jehovah God and Jesus. Do so because satan knows many of these are the ones who’s trying to live in a way pleasing to the Father. by trying to do his will ,( Matt. 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother). Not following what the world does ,( John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world). and trying to preach what Jesus taught throughout the world as Jesus commanded ,(Matt. 28:19,20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world).


Satan doesn’t want Jehovah Gods world taught, he wants us to NOT hear or NOT believe, (2Cor. 4:4). And (1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the evil one, ASV). Satan won’t go after his own, those who’s following him. because he already has them, like some ministers ,( 2Cor. 11:13-15). And those who love the things of the world more than Jehovah God or Jesus ,( 1John 2:15,16 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world).


Jehovah NEVER plan forsuffering, even his son to suffer. But he KNEW his son would have to when he ,(Jesus Father), decide he wanted to give humans a chance of eternal life, This is why he sent Jesus, (John 3:16,17). And (Rom. 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord). You said “Scripture says both the Nephilim (Satan's angels) and the "Sons of God" (God's angels) were contemporaries; The latter sent to counteract the Devil's rebellion against God”. But much of what you said wasn’t true. First the “sons of God” ,were ALL Angels, even the ones who turned against God. THEY were the ones who mated with human women ,( Gen. 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose).


The Nephilims where the offspring’s of those angels and the humans. It is true, When the flood came, they died just like their human mothers, But the wicked angels went back to Heaven. Because unlike their children, they COULD turn back into spirit beings. the Nephilims were NEVER in Heaven, and they surely wasn’t around but the time the first wicked angel accuse God of lying ,( Gen.3:1-5). But then you said something that would confuse any who’s seeking, either the Nephilims died in the flood, or the didn’t!, and I’m sorry but they did! you say , “those who repented were sent to prison to await what would be done to them. These Christ made a special trip to because they were a special case”. That’s not true, again they were destroyed, God’s word in Genesis NEVER said, ANY of the Nephilims were saved until!


People need to understand there’s just ONE Heaven, not 3, it’s symbolic. When the war broke out, ALL wicked angels were cast down to earth ,( Rev. 12:7-9 and Rev. 12:12). Finally you say , “When they are cast out is when it will again be like the Days of Noah, the Nephilim will return to gather humanity against Christ, via the antichrist…pretending to be UFO aliens sent to help mankind”. You’re late!, the wicked angels been attacking humans from the time of the first couple. When he lied to eve in the garden. But you’re right concerning them pretending to be aliens . But You forgot, they also pretend to be dead people, see the story of Saul and Samuel ,( 1Sam.28:3-19). peace
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:17 AM
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The common view misunderstands the antitype Peter sees in Baptism, he clearly said this isn't about water: "(not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (1Pe 3:21 NKJ)

The antitype then is

12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. (Col 2:12 NKJ)

Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
(Rom 6:4 NKJ)


These aren't orphan texts, Peter is expositing a theme, verse 17 states his purpose:

17 For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

Then Peter cites Christ's example and the good that came from suffering for good and not evil:

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, (1Pe 3:17-18 NKJ)

So the tangible result of saving many who were lost CONFIRMS its "better, if it’s the will of God, to suffer".


(The magnificent gymnastics Greek Masters perform forcing the "common view" upon the context confirms how inelegant it truly is. )

So the TYPE Christ descending to these FOREMERLY DISOBEDIENT spirits in prison and preaching the gospel to them, and they answered with a good conscience toward God and so they ascended with Christ into the heavenlies.

The ANTITYPE is how Christ descended to preach to the church and the answer of a good conscience also saved them and therefore they also ascended with Christ.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. (Eph 2:4-7 NKJ)


Peter anticipated the common view, and tried to prevent its advance by denying he talked about water washing filth of the flesh.





The common view also refuses to believe the same as Peter regarding the Nephilim and Sons of God in Gen c. 6.

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; (2Pe 2:4 NKJ)

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; (Jud 1:6 NKJ)


The following can be deduced or induced from the Bible, space (and time!) does not allow me to detail the premises under girding every conclusion.

Scripture says both the Nephilim (Satan's angels) and the "Sons of God" (God's angels) were contemporaries; The latter sent to counteract the Devil's rebellion against God.

Evil men conspired with Satan and the Nephilm to seduce them with beautiful women.

Both Nephilim and angelic sons of God had offspring…."men of renown" (who likely built Pumapunku).

These all died in the flood. God wouldn't allow the angels flee
. Angels are physical beings (Gen c. 6; 18) in the "Complete" (TELEIOS) and can be visible or invisible here in the "Partial" (MEROS)--1 Cor 13:10...but when the Flood came "all that was on the dry land, died. (Gen 7:22 NKJ)

The angels were sent to Tatarus and bound in chains to await Judgment Day for the heinous crime of corrupting the image of God in man with angelic DNA, forcing God Flood the earth to destroy the abomination.

Satan's war against the Seed by defiling its lineage, failed. Noah was perfect in his generations, angelic DNA free.

Their human angel children being neither human or angel, were separated…those who repented were sent to prison to await what would be done to them. These Christ made a special trip to because they were a special case.

Those hybrid human spirits who refused to repent became unclean spirits roaming the earth seeking corporeal pleasures, to fill up the measure of their sins.


The rest of Satan's angels, who didn't have intercourse with humans…remain in third heaven accusing the brethren till they are cast out.


When they are cast out is when it will again be like the Days of Noah, the Nephilim will return to gather humanity against Christ, via the antichrist…pretending to be UFO aliens sent to help mankind.
This is interesting. Have you wondered if man trying to clone humans will be able to do so only for a demonic entity to fill that clone and use the body for its own purpose?
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