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Old 11-05-2012, 06:54 PM
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Jude 1:23

But others save, pulling them out of the fire. And on others have mercy, in fear, hating also the spotted garment which is carnal.


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Dr. Grant Richison--commentary

Jude 22-23 Bible Exposition Commentary

Jude 22-23 "And on some have compassion, making a distinction;"



We have, in verses 22 and 23, three tactics in dealing with error:

1. Show mercy to the wavering heretic.

2. Use boldness with the confirmed heretic.

3. Use caution in showing mercy to heretics.

1:22

And on some have compassion,

The object of compassion here is on apostates. These are people who waver in their doubts about the Word of God. If apostates show positive volition toward the Word of God, the believer should respond positively to them.

making a distinction;

The purpose of rebuke is correction and restoration, not condemnation. Our approach to apostates must have the "distinction" or discernment of having "compassion" on them.

1:23

but others save with fear,

Jude recommends two separate courses of action in dealing with apostates. (1) For some we show "compassion" and (2) others we attempt to save by resolute warning.

The "others" here are non-Christian false teachers. Christians are to approach false teachers "with fear" (caution) for their souls.

pulling them out of the fire,

Apostates stand on the brink of eternal damnation–hell fire.

hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.

The "flesh" here refers to the total man, psychological man and the sin capacity.

"Hate" is a legitimate exercise when it comes to apostasy.

The "garment" is proverbial, referring to avoiding even the most remote aspect of apostasy. It is important in dealing with apostates because of the possibility of contamination with their false beliefs.

PRINCIPLE: Spiritual discernment is necessary in dealing with the victims of doubt.

APPLICATION: There is a sense of judgment necessary in dealing with people who fall into or are falling into apostasy. It is possible to drive people into apostasy by our attitude.

There is a difference between doubt and disbelief. Those in the category of doubt need to be treated with distinction.

Doctrinal defilement spreads quickly, so it is important to "hate" theological error.

Passion flows out of compassion. The Greek word for “compassion” occurs 31 times in the New Testament but is only translated “compassion” three times. It is translated “pity” or “mercy.” We need a capacity for mercy. Mercy is not natural to us. We are cruel and live according to the law of the jungle. We do not want to be bothered with false teaching. Our attitude is “let them go to hell.” We are the best Christians some people know but they will never hear it from us because we have no compassion.

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Since there is a real disconnect of what exactly our Lord expects of us when we have heresy flooding in, the above commentary gives some excellent directions from the book of Jude.
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:51 PM
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Dr. Grant Richison- "........most recent pastorate was at Grant Memorial Baptist Church, Winnipeg, Manitoba, where, for a 20 year period, he had oversight of a ministry that expanded from a church of 300 to one of the largest churches in Canada......."

I am not so sure that the good doctor's bona fides are in order.
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Dr. Grant Richison- "........most recent pastorate was at Grant Memorial Baptist Church, Winnipeg, Manitoba, where, for a 20 year period, he had oversight of a ministry that expanded from a church of 300 to one of the largest churches in Canada......."

I am not so sure that the good doctor's bona fides are in order.
I didn't check his breath but the commentary on the differing positions of a person involved with heresy is insightful.
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Jesus and his disciples were notable especially for their merciful giving of spiritual gifts of far greater value than material things. Members of the Christian congregation, particularly those acting as “shepherds” therein (1 Peter 5:1,*2), must cultivate the quality of mercy “with cheerfulness,” never begrudgingly. (Romans 12:8) “Ungodly men” who had slipped into the first-century Christian congregation were causing some to have distressing doubts. While continuing to show mercy to some whose actions have not been proper, they need to be careful not to fall into temptation themselves, being conscious that they must not only love righteousness but also hate what is bad.

By their false teaching, murmuring, complaining, and so forth, “ungodly men,” who had slipped into the first-century Christian congregation, were causing some to have distressing doubts and become weak and spiritually ill. Hence, the disciple Jude wrote: “Continue showing mercy to some that have doubts; save them by snatching them out of the fire.”-Jude 22,*23

To continue receiving God’s merciful consideration, Jude’s fellow worshipers-especially the congregation elders-needed to show mercy to doubters eligible for it. (James 2:13) Such unstable ones were in danger of the “fire,” or everlasting destruction. (Compare Matthew 25:41-46.) But by quickly coming to their aid with spiritual exhortation and prayer, stable Christians would be able to save them, “snatching them out of the fire.”-Galatians 6:1; James 5:13-20.

Some may have yielded to the flesh defilers and fallen with them into immorality, or else into spiritual adultery. By giving way to animalistic practices, they had, as it were, ‘stained the inner garment.’ They had stained their inward personality as genuine Christians, like a garment worn next to the skin. (Compare Revelation 3:4, 5.) Yet, godly persons, particularly the appointed elders, compassionately tried to help the unstable wearers of ‘stained garments’ back to the way of salvation.
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Jesus and his disciples were notable especially for their merciful giving of spiritual gifts of far greater value than material things. Members of the Christian congregation, particularly those acting as “shepherds” therein (1 Peter 5:1,*2), must cultivate the quality of mercy “with cheerfulness,” never begrudgingly. (Romans 12:8) “Ungodly men” who had slipped into the first-century Christian congregation were causing some to have distressing doubts. While continuing to show mercy to some whose actions have not been proper, they need to be careful not to fall into temptation themselves, being conscious that they must not only love righteousness but also hate what is bad.

By their false teaching, murmuring, complaining, and so forth, “ungodly men,” who had slipped into the first-century Christian congregation, were causing some to have distressing doubts and become weak and spiritually ill. Hence, the disciple Jude wrote: “Continue showing mercy to some that have doubts; save them by snatching them out of the fire.”-Jude 22,*23

To continue receiving God’s merciful consideration, Jude’s fellow worshipers-especially the congregation elders-needed to show mercy to doubters eligible for it. (James 2:13) Such unstable ones were in danger of the “fire,” or everlasting destruction. (Compare Matthew 25:41-46.) But by quickly coming to their aid with spiritual exhortation and prayer, stable Christians would be able to save them, “snatching them out of the fire.”-Galatians 6:1; James 5:13-20.

Some may have yielded to the flesh defilers and fallen with them into immorality, or else into spiritual adultery. By giving way to animalistic practices, they had, as it were, ‘stained the inner garment.’ They had stained their inward personality as genuine Christians, like a garment worn next to the skin. (Compare Revelation 3:4, 5.) Yet, godly persons, particularly the appointed elders, compassionately tried to help the unstable wearers of ‘stained garments’ back to the way of salvation.
I agree with you although I am unclear of your point.
And to be sure God is extremely merciful beyond our understanding to be sure. But there is a time where God will remove mercy because of the unwillingness of a soul to repent and then that soul is no longer under the grace but back under the law which is due to their own choosing. That is where the warning has been given and rejected.
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Dr. Grant Richison- "........most recent pastorate was at Grant Memorial Baptist Church, Winnipeg, Manitoba, where, for a 20 year period, he had oversight of a ministry that expanded from a church of 300 to one of the largest churches in Canada......."

I am not so sure that the good doctor's bona fides are in order.
A corporate go-getter who earns a ridiculous amount and employs many is fine but a pastor who oversees a ministry and grows from 300 to one of the largest churches in Canada......." seems out of order?

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I didn't check his breath but the commentary on the differing positions of a person involved with heresy is insightful.
Agreed. Good find.

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Since there is a real disconnect of what exactly our Lord expects of us when we have heresy flooding in, the above commentary gives some excellent directions from the book of Jude.
And well said!
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