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Old 08-30-2012, 06:11 PM
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How to Lose Truth and (maybe) Your Head
John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb. See Luke 1:39-45.
John had the revelation of who Jesus was/is. Matt 3:13-17 and
John 1:29-37

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29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is He of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ 31 I did not know Him; but that He should be revealed to Israel, therefore I came baptizing with water.”

32 And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.”

35 Again, the next day, John stood with two of his disciples. 36 And looking at Jesus as He walked, he said, “Behold the Lamb of God!”

37 The two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.

The question is why did he not follow Jesus as the 2 disciples? Why did he speak truth to a man (Herod) who Jesus called a fox and would not even speak to? I will add that Herod was of the line of Esau and that line had (and still is) tried to destroy the seed of Christ all through the Bible. That spirit works with the spirit of one world government and religion to destroy believers today. See Luke 23:6-12.

First, John had the revelation but decided he did not like it as it did not fit the agenda of an earthly king as he believed Jesus should be. He chose not to humble himself and become as a "little child" to follow Jesus, listen, and find out what Jesus intended. An example is today's "dominion theologists" and a lot of other folks to numerous to mention.

John latched on to the nearest thing to a potential king (Herod) and began casting "pearls before swine". (Read the latest biography of Billy Graham if you want a modern example.) The result of John not humbling himself and getting involved in politics, which Jesus warned His disciples NOT to do, Mark 8:13 Mark 8:15, and resulted in John losing the revelation he had.
Matthew 11:2-6

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2 And when John had heard in prison about the works of Christ, he sent two of[a] his disciples 3 and said to Him, “Are You the Coming One, or do we look for another?”

4 Jesus answered and said to them, “Go and tell John the things which you hear and see: 5 The blind see and the lame walk; the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear; the dead are raised up and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6 And blessed is he who is not offended because of Me.”

Note that Jesus answered him with the word.

Pride that he could 'get it done' by getting involved in politics and casting pearls before swine had dire consequences. NOTHING has changed with Christians involved in partisan politics. By the way that was the Jezebel spirit in Herodias and her daughter that killed John. Do not wonder why 'she' has so much to say in today's churches. It is for the same the same reasons: female pastors, Christian women dressed like ****s, and the sensuous dance teams are some examples.
Revelation 2:20-23

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20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow[a] that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce[c] My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent.[d] 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their[e] deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.


This is one reason the church has lost the revelation of who Jesus is, what He said to do, and HOW he said to do it. See Matthew 5, 6, and 7, Matthew 10:7-8, and Mark 16:15-18.
I will also add that how Christians think they should 'help' Israel by engaging in partisan politics is another BIG reason for loss of revelation of the same things. Please note that Israel is UNREGENERATE. The Bible is VERY specific as what believers should do in their regard.
Romans 9:6-7

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6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”[a]
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:17 AM
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.......This is one reason the church has lost the revelation of who Jesus is, what He said to do, and HOW he said to do it......

I beg to differ. The Church has NOT lost the revelation of who Jesus is, what He said to do, and HOW he said to do it.

Although I'm sure a few denominations have.

And speaking of the revelation of who Jesus is, you should buy this book:





In this bold, momentous work, the pope—in his first book written as Benedict XVI—seeks to salvage the person of Jesus from recent “popular” depictions and to restore Jesus’ true identity as discovered in the Gospels. Through his brilliance as a theologian and his personal conviction as a believer, the pope shares a rich, compelling, flesh-and-blood portrait of Jesus and incites us to encounter, face-to-face, the central figure of the Christian faith.

From Jesus of Nazareth… “the great question that will be with us throughout this entire book: But what has Jesus really brought, then, if he has not brought world peace, universal prosperity, and a better world? What has he brought? The answer is very simple: God. He has brought God! He has brought the God who once gradually unveiled his countenance first to Abraham, then to Moses and the prophets, and then in the wisdom literature—the God who showed his face only in Israel, even though he was also honored among the pagans in various shadowy guises. It is this God, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, the true God, whom he has brought to the peoples of the earth. He has brought God, and now we know his face, now we can call upon him. Now we know the path that we human beings have to take in this world. Jesus has brought God and with God the truth about where we are going and where we come from: faith, hope, and love.”
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:31 AM
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.......This is one reason the church has lost the revelation of who Jesus is, what He said to do, and HOW he said to do it......

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I beg to differ. The Church has NOT lost the revelation of who Jesus is, what He said to do, and HOW he said to do it.

Although I'm sure a few denominations have.

And speaking of the revelation of who Jesus is, you should buy this book
:

Here is what Jesus says to do. Please notice He did not say tell them about the RCC or any other carnal denomination (see 1 Corinthians 3:1-4). Do you know what the Kingdom of heaven is and how to bring it to people like Jesus did? Do you know how Jesus did it? If so please explain.

7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’

Here is what Jesus said to do to bring people the Kingdom of heaven:

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead,[a] cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.

This is what disciples of Jesus do at every opportunity:

Mark 16:15-18

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15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

Notice Jesus says NOTHING about the RCC or any other carnal denomination.



Please notice what Jesus says to do to demonstrate the truth of the "Good News" and that "those who believe" will do these things
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17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they[a] will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Does the Pope do these things? Do you do these things? If not why not?

Now you can clearly see what I mean when I said the church has lost the revelation of who Jesus is, what He said to do, and how He said to do it.
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Old 09-07-2012, 02:50 AM
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No religious man does anything like Jesus - but religious men hold onto a brand name church belief as if it was/is the SAME BELIEF as the saviour's.
ofcourse it is not.

what all churches have is a form of godliness - and yes ofcourse the 33000 + '' join us true churches '' are unsaved.
but in all ignorance they simply dont understand this and are happy to fiddle while Rome burns.

all that man made pomp and dress up IS SIMPLY ''RELIGIOUS ENTERTAINMENT'' by the hired actors of religious expression.
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Old 09-07-2012, 10:25 AM
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No religious man does anything like Jesus - but religious men hold onto a brand name church belief as if it was/is the SAME BELIEF as the saviour's.
ofcourse it is not.

what all churches have is a form of godliness - and yes ofcourse the 33000 + '' join us true churches '' are unsaved.
but in all ignorance they simply dont understand this and are happy to fiddle while Rome burns.

all that man made pomp and dress up IS SIMPLY ''RELIGIOUS ENTERTAINMENT'' by the hired actors of religious expression.
This is NOT from God. What you speak is not from God. You have not been given this by God.
When has God ever cursed thousands of people and judged them as "unsaved" such as you have done on this post???
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