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Old 02-10-2012, 09:38 AM
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Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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1)principalities
2)powers
3)rulers
4)spiritual wickedness in high places


These are real forces and we see them in action everyday but most of us call it other things. We blame their actions on humans without understanding what these entities are which is way so many Christians suffer needlessly and then blame God for what has happened.

When Jesus spoke to the evil spirits in people and commanded them to depart, the spirits departed. And Jesus warned that if sinning continued the spirits would return. Did Jesus lie? Is this "old time religion" and it no longer applies? Or have we become wise in our own eyes and determined Jesus "did not mean what He said"?
The bible says God does not lie. He is not a man who lies. Nor does God change. He is not a man given to whims.

Why then have we determined to cherry pick scripture and blame "politics, nations and religions" for all that ails us when God has given us the truth of what is behind those humans who hate God? Was Hitler born evil or did he sin repeatedly and not repent but allowed satan to "establish" him to a position of power?
Hitler was much taken with the Catholic Church and its mysteries about God but did not love God with all his heart so he took the mystical and incorporated it as lead by the enemy of his soul and became the antithesis of God's love toward His people.

There is so much unbelief toward the truth of this that it would be pointless to try to share anymore that the smallest amount of information but I tell this fact, you will see more and more of what cannot be explained save the truth of scripture in the coming days. And they come to kill, steal and destroy as they are brought to do by satan himself.
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:51 PM
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Yes, I believe every action, every decision is either for the good or for evil. Mankind summons either the angelic or the demonic.

Often people try to straddle the fence, avoiding a decision. They may believe they will commit their lives to God later but not now. Who knows what everyone thinks; but failing to choose to summon the angels is by default opening the doors to the other. There is no safety in this lukewarm approach; the only safety lies in loving God with all our hearts, minds, souls and strength. When we discern a weakness in ourselves, the safest thing to do is to slam the door on it as quickly as possible and immediately replace it with a commitment for the good.

I have observed this. People struggle with their vices, especially when they cause them troubles; and at times, their prayers are answered and temptations removed. But they do not always fill the void with virtue. This leaves a hole in their lives. When we reject a vice, we should replace it with a virtue -- less the vice return worse than before.

For example, what should a husband addicted to porn do when he finds the temptation removed for a while? I say he should turn his attention to his wife. Instead of allowing himself to be in an emotional void where he can be tempted back into porn, he should begin to treat his wife more realistically and maturely. He may find that emotionally gratifying -- more gratifying than the porn even! He has then made her happier while solving his own problem.

If he sits and mopes without learning how to relate to his wife better, he still has a "hole" in his life. He will be tempted again.

Every time he thinks of porn if he is tempted, he can do a kind deed for his wife. The Devil really doesn't like it if you can master this knack of turning every temptation to evil upside down and inventing a good deed.

Another example -- suppose you are tempted to steal. Every time you have the thought, put a dollar in a jar; and after a week or two, give it away to someone who needs it or to charity. After a while, you will find there is more joy in giving to others than in stealing. You have replaced a vice with a virtue. You have summoned the angels by doing good deeds and sent the demons scattering.

So we should avoid trying to be of two minds. As Elijah said, "How long will ye halt between two opinions?" This "duality" in the mind is a door through which the demons can romp; and we find James also warning of being double minded. We can't have it both ways. If we see good, we should do it -- James also says not to do the good we see is a sin to us. I believe it opens the doors to other sins since it hardens the heart when we fail to do the good we see we could do. And doing the good when we see it is a wonderful way of summoning the angelic forces and keeping ourselves in the Light of God.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:37 PM
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Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
.........................................................

1)principalities
2)powers
3)rulers
4)spiritual wickedness in high places


These are real forces and we see them in action everyday but most of us call it other things. We blame their actions on humans without understanding what these entities are which is way so many Christians suffer needlessly and then blame God for what has happened.

When Jesus spoke to the evil spirits in people and commanded them to depart, the spirits departed. And Jesus warned that if sinning continued the spirits would return. Did Jesus lie? Is this "old time religion" and it no longer applies? Or have we become wise in our own eyes and determined Jesus "did not mean what He said"?
The bible says God does not lie. He is not a man who lies. Nor does God change. He is not a man given to whims.

Why then have we determined to cherry pick scripture and blame "politics, nations and religions" for all that ails us when God has given us the truth of what is behind those humans who hate God? Was Hitler born evil or did he sin repeatedly and not repent but allowed satan to "establish" him to a position of power?
Hitler was much taken with the Catholic Church and its mysteries about God but did not love God with all his heart so he took the mystical and incorporated it as lead by the enemy of his soul and became the antithesis of God's love toward His people.

There is so much unbelief toward the truth of this that it would be pointless to try to share anymore that the smallest amount of information but I tell this fact, you will see more and more of what cannot be explained save the truth of scripture in the coming days. And they come to kill, steal and destroy as they are brought to do by satan himself.
Maizie, I read your thoughts on this and I don't want you to get mad at me or anything but let me tell your about that passage from Paul. There he is talking about principalities, the monarcy or kingdom of darkness, the prince of darkness and apposed to the prince of glory. Thats what he is talking about, principality. The darkness of the scripture and the powers of that and the rulers of the religions that come from their understanding without council of God and the wicked spirits from that too. The old testament, in the understanding of this world is the snake and Satan and the people teachings that without understanding are the beast. Its this stuff and the power of it. God drowned the world, drowned all the Egyptians but save the Israelites, the Israelites killed all those people in battles, Cutting heads off with swords, fire coming down from heaven. Like it says the brothers of Joseph threw him in a pit and covered his coat with goats blood and sold him into slavery. Everything, the whole thing has spiritual meaning and that is the truth of the scriptures and the light of the scriptures. Look, when it says this, darkness was on the face of the deep, the face of the deep are not the world outside the people of the bible and in the religions of it. It really means the people in sin are in deep sleep because the Lord send that spirit when people study without understanding but simple means people deep in the scripture and because they are void of real council they are void of understanding . The darkness has power over then and put them in bondage with the wicked spirit that comes from the wicked understanding. I try to word it so people will understand but it is worded perfectly, it is their lack of spiritual wisdom that causes the lack of understanding and the error that causes darkness. Hope that doesn't cause problems between us.
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Old 02-11-2012, 07:29 AM
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Maizie, I read your thoughts on this and I don't want you to get mad at me or anything but let me tell your about that passage from Paul. There he is talking about principalities, the monarcy or kingdom of darkness, the prince of darkness and apposed to the prince of glory. Thats what he is talking about, principality. The darkness of the scripture and the powers of that and the rulers of the religions that come from their understanding without council of God and the wicked spirits from that too. The old testament, in the understanding of this world is the snake and Satan and the people teachings that without understanding are the beast. Its this stuff and the power of it. God drowned the world, drowned all the Egyptians but save the Israelites, the Israelites killed all those people in battles, Cutting heads off with swords, fire coming down from heaven. Like it says the brothers of Joseph threw him in a pit and covered his coat with goats blood and sold him into slavery. Everything, the whole thing has spiritual meaning and that is the truth of the scriptures and the light of the scriptures. Look, when it says this, darkness was on the face of the deep, the face of the deep are not the world outside the people of the bible and in the religions of it. It really means the people in sin are in deep sleep because the Lord send that spirit when people study without understanding but simple means people deep in the scripture and because they are void of real council they are void of understanding . The darkness has power over then and put them in bondage with the wicked spirit that comes from the wicked understanding. I try to word it so people will understand but it is worded perfectly, it is their lack of spiritual wisdom that causes the lack of understanding and the error that causes darkness. Hope that doesn't cause problems between us.
I would not get mad at you for this. You have found a way to package the whole thing so you do not have evil spirits or demons which do not inhabit their own flesh but seek ours. That is why I have said people do not believe even what Jesus said and did when it comes down to it. When the Sons of Sceva were jumped and torn it was not a metaphorical event.

When someone murders another and we are appalled at the grisliness of it, there was a real spirit of murder behind the deed. I have seen those spirits when they roam the streets and they do look for someone to attach to or enter. Being Spirit filled is the answer for being in a safe condition but for the numbers of people who are not Christians much less Spirit filled, they are there for the picking depending on where they live and the presence over the area-dominions. What do you think restraints demonic entities if not the power of Jesus? Who did Jesus defeat? Bad thoughts? We as believers must accept the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth. If I say I have seen this or that either I am delusional or it is true. But then others who discern the minions of satan must all be delusional too.

An unbeliever has no way to "cast out" evil spirits but it is afforded only to believers in Jesus name. See, there is so much the general Christian population does not know or want to know.
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:02 AM
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Angry Angels and Demons :OFF TOPIC !

Man this is just way over the top! "against principalities, against powers" the names given to Satan's command structure certainly have little if any place on this website.Who is this Maizie fellow any way?Why doesn't he just leave us alone?All of us here are perfectly content in our fake and impotent religion so why does he have to upset us by making us think about sin?SIN man that is just so yesterday!Doesn't he realize that we don't talk about that in church anymore? Where has he been anyway? Probably off some where reading the Bible! And then he tries to talk about the origin of sin,Satan;man what's he trying to do,disrupt our complacency or what?

Look let's get this straight,us modern Christians no longer accept all that Bible stuff about Jesus devoting one-sixth of His ministry to casting out demons to heal the sick.Ok maybe Jesus did it when He was here but doesn't Maizie realize that we no longer believe that Jesus is alive,at least not here?Why doesn't he just leave us in spiritual putrid I mean peace so that we can worship money and our sex lives instead of the Living Lord who can enter our lives to battle demons on our behalf?Doesn't this Maizie fellow realize that almost no ministers even talk about demons because they have absolutely no idea how to cast them out? When it comes to the members of our congregations being filled with demons,live and let live is what I say.Isn't that what Madonna teaches?

Why don't we just cool it and continue in our insipid and irrelevant religion that offers no hope whatsoever that the Living Jesus will ever enter our lives to work His miracles of healing and demonic deliverance?Isn't that in fact a much more comfortable type of religious fail sorry I mean faith?

CHILL OUT MAN! GOD WANTS US TO BE HAPPY! NO MORE THINKING ABOUT EVIL! EVEN THE MOST DEMONIC OF US WILL GO TO HEAVEN SO THAT WE CAN INFEST IT I MEAN INHABIT IT!
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Old 02-11-2012, 10:36 AM
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Man this is just way over the top! "against principalities, against powers" the names given to Satan's command structure certainly have little if any place on this website.Who is this Maizie fellow any way?Why doesn't he just leave us alone?All of us here are perfectly content in our fake and impotent religion so why does he have to upset us by making us think about sin?SIN man that is just so yesterday!Doesn't he realize that we don't talk about that in church anymore? Where has he been anyway? Probably off some where reading the Bible! And then he tries to talk about the origin of sin,Satan;man what's he trying to do,disrupt our complacency or what?

Look let's get this straight,us modern Christians no longer accept all that Bible stuff about Jesus devoting one-sixth of His ministry to casting out demons to heal the sick.Ok maybe Jesus did it when He was here but doesn't Maizie realize that we no longer believe that Jesus is alive,at least not here?Why doesn't he just leave us in spiritual putrid I mean peace so that we can worship money and our sex lives instead of the Living Lord who can enter our lives to battle demons on our behalf?Doesn't this Maizie fellow realize that almost no ministers even talk about demons because they have absolutely no idea how to cast them out? When it comes to the members of our congregations being filled with demons,live and let live is what I say.Isn't that what Madonna teaches?

Why don't we just cool it and continue in our insipid and irrelevant religion that offers no hope whatsoever that the Living Jesus will ever enter our lives to work His miracles of healing and demonic deliverance?Isn't that in fact a much more comfortable type of religious fail sorry I mean faith?

CHILL OUT MAN! GOD WANTS US TO BE HAPPY! NO MORE THINKING ABOUT EVIL! EVEN THE MOST DEMONIC OF US WILL GO TO HEAVEN SO THAT WE CAN INFEST IT I MEAN INHABIT IT!

This seems like a pretty solid estimation of the status quo.
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Old 02-11-2012, 11:05 AM
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Yes, I believe every action, every decision is either for the good or for evil. Mankind summons either the angelic or the demonic.

Often people try to straddle the fence, avoiding a decision. They may believe they will commit their lives to God later but not now. Who knows what everyone thinks; but failing to choose to summon the angels is by default opening the doors to the other. There is no safety in this lukewarm approach; the only safety lies in loving God with all our hearts, minds, souls and strength. When we discern a weakness in ourselves, the safest thing to do is to slam the door on it as quickly as possible and immediately replace it with a commitment for the good.

I have observed this. People struggle with their vices, especially when they cause them troubles; and at times, their prayers are answered and temptations removed. But they do not always fill the void with virtue. This leaves a hole in their lives. When we reject a vice, we should replace it with a virtue -- less the vice return worse than before.

For example, what should a husband addicted to porn do when he finds the temptation removed for a while? I say he should turn his attention to his wife. Instead of allowing himself to be in an emotional void where he can be tempted back into porn, he should begin to treat his wife more realistically and maturely. He may find that emotionally gratifying -- more gratifying than the porn even! He has then made her happier while solving his own problem.

If he sits and mopes without learning how to relate to his wife better, he still has a "hole" in his life. He will be tempted again.

Every time he thinks of porn if he is tempted, he can do a kind deed for his wife. The Devil really doesn't like it if you can master this knack of turning every temptation to evil upside down and inventing a good deed.

Another example -- suppose you are tempted to steal. Every time you have the thought, put a dollar in a jar; and after a week or two, give it away to someone who needs it or to charity. After a while, you will find there is more joy in giving to others than in stealing. You have replaced a vice with a virtue. You have summoned the angels by doing good deeds and sent the demons scattering.

So we should avoid trying to be of two minds. As Elijah said, "How long will ye halt between two opinions?" This "duality" in the mind is a door through which the demons can romp; and we find James also warning of being double minded. We can't have it both ways. If we see good, we should do it -- James also says not to do the good we see is a sin to us. I believe it opens the doors to other sins since it hardens the heart when we fail to do the good we see we could do. And doing the good when we see it is a wonderful way of summoning the angelic forces and keeping ourselves in the Light of God.

The man who finds himself addicted to porn and participates in it is sinning and it gives legal rights to satan to enter his home, etc.

There is a story of a family where the dad started with the porn. The man had a wife and five children, the youngest child being 6 yrs old and a girl. Well the mother in her vigilence saw her 6 yr old become flirty and wanting to wear make up and talking about boys. Though all the children attended church, the spirit of lust had entered the home via the porn and had attached itself to the most vunerable there which was the 6 year old.
After the mother had gained understanding of this she knew how to pray and cast the enemy out for it was not the child who had sinned and the child was innocent of wrongdoing.
This is a true situation from a ministry online but I know of many just like this myself.

There is no such thing as sin that doesn't hurt anyone.
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I totally agree concerning your example of the porn-watching-husband. True itís demons who control us when it comes to the wrong we do. But itís not the Angels who we receive our goodness from, itís Jehovah God. The God of the first earthly couple. I agree, when one constantly focus on our sinful lust regardless of what it is. We can and will find ourselves missing it to the point of trying to regain it.What many, ( Jesus and Jehovah worshippers), refuse to realize, if weíre loving the world, (mankind ), their immoral ways of living. Making them believe itís ok for their action, itís wrong ,(Exo.23:1,2-Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness. Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment). And also the things of the world, Weíre not truly lovers of God ,(1John 2:15,16). Many wants to believe they can keep the old life they lived before, becoming ďChristiansĒ, they canít!, (Rom.12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God).

God want us to love all, but Jesus was referring to hanging around those who refuse to do the will of God taught by him ,(Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple). What Iím saying is, many will claim Christians, Yet continually be friends with those who choose to live a life unpleasing to his Father. We canít believe we can basically call God a sucker, by our actions. Heís not one to be played, (Gal.6:7 -Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap). You saidÖĒThere is no safety in this lukewarm approach; the only safety lies in loving God with all our hearts, minds, souls and strength.Ē I truly agree,
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I totally agree concerning your example of the porn-watching-husband. True it’s demons who control us when it comes to the wrong we do. But it’s not the Angels who we receive our goodness from, it’s Jehovah God.
Hi there,

There is a saying that all good things come down from Heaven, that all good comes from God. I think we sometimes we can receive good from angels and even from other people; but where did they get it from to begin with? I think maybe this is why we are told to honor our parents since God chose them to be His way of bringing us into the world.
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What I’m saying is, many will claim Christians, Yet continually be friends with those who choose to live a life unpleasing to his Father. We can’t believe we can basically call God a sucker, by our actions. He’s not one to be played, (Gal.6:7 -Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap). You said…”There is no safety in this lukewarm approach; the only safety lies in loving God with all our hearts, minds, souls and strength.” I truly agree, peace
I wonder sometimes why we think we can fool God by flattery or insincerity. Have we thought things through? Can we really think God could be fooled by such things? We can often fool other people, that's for sure; but can we fool God like that as if He had human failings?

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Dear Maizie,

Peace be with you,

YOU WROTE:
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Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
.........................................................

1)principalities
2)powers
3)rulers
4)spiritual wickedness in high places


These are real forces and we see them in action everyday but most of us call it other things.
I just thought that in order to be fair to the Saintly Principalities and the Saintly Powers and the Saintly Dominations we should all keep in mind that these "principalities" and "powers" which are mentioned in the Epistle to the Ephesians were once Holy Principalities and Holy Powers before their tragic fall from Heavenly Bliss.

There are 9 Choirs of Angels

(I) Seraphim
(II) Cherubim
(III) Thrones
(IV) Dominations
(V) Powers
(VI) Virtues
(VII) Principalities
(VIII) Archangels*
(IX) Angels


* Eventhough St. Michael is ONE OF the Archangels, nevertheless he is privileged by God to be the Highest Ranking Angel and the Commander of all the Angelic Choirs in Heaven, since it was St. Michael who raised his battle cry in defense of God's Majesty "WHO IS LIKE UNTO GOD???" when lucifer rebelled against the Most High and who sought to become greater than God.
St. Michael was given the Command to throw lucifer into the Fires of Hell forever and ever and ever. And so St. Michael the Holy Archangel has a unique and leading place among all the angels, thanks to God. His name actually means "Who is Like God?"


Holy Principalities, pray for us!!!
Holy Powers, pray for us!!!
St. Michael, pray for us!!!
...In Jesus Name. Amen.

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