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Old 07-16-2011, 09:49 AM
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Jude 1:1

1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Just when is a believer in Christ sanctified ? Is it before they believe or immediately after they believe ? Could it be before they were ever born ? Could it be before the world was ever created ?

Lets look at the definition of the word sanctified in our text. It is the greek word hagiazō and means:


to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow

2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God

a) consecrate things to God

b) dedicate people to God

3) to purify

a) to cleanse externally

b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin

c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul


Lets say its the setting apart of one for the dedication and Holy Purpose of God

In our text above the word sanctified is a perfect passive participle, the subjects have been set apart once and for all, Permanently ! When was this setting apart ? Well according to the text it was before they were called. The calling here I believe to be a subjective inward call by the Holy Spirit as Per Rom 1:6-7

6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Rom 8:28

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

1 Cor 1:2,24

2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

This calling is both inward and effectual and so its placed in time.

But the sanctification that preceded it was before time, it was God setting them apart from the rest of mankind in the Decree of Election in Christ.

This their Election in Christ or Chosen in Christ is also said to be of the Father Eph 1:3-4

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he [The Father] hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The Father hath chosen us in Him. When ? before the the foundation of the world.

The word chosen is eklegomai and means:

to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one's self

a) choosing one out of many, i.e. Jesus choosing his disciples

b) choosing one for an office

c) of God choosing whom he judged fit to receive his favours and separated from the rest of mankind to be peculiarly his own and to be attended continually by his gracious oversight

The word is also in the middle voice which means He for Himself. This denotes His own setting apart for Himself whom would be the recipient of all Spiritual Blessings of Salvation through Jesus Christ.

And this setting apart, sanctification took place before the foundation, so the believer,was set apart or sanctified by The Father before the foundation, this denotes Eternal Sanctification by Election. Believing in Christ in time, is evidence of this Eternal Sanctification before the world began.
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Old 07-16-2011, 09:52 AM
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That phrase does not make sense: Its a non-sequitur. Sanctification is a "proccess" and therefore is not eternal.

Sanctification comes from the Latin "Sanctus", which means Holy. The Bible teaches that we grow in holiness as we grow in Christ. But when we finally eneter heaven, that proccess is completed.
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catholic:

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That phrase does not make sense:
Well I gave you scripture to back it up..
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catholic:
Well I gave you scripture to back it up..
You gave a scripture, yes, which you misinterpreted.
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Set Apart in Eternity Past for a Special Purpose !

Rom 8:28-30

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,[b] that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. [/B

] 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

This is the Special Purpose of God above all,That His Chosen be conformed into the Image of His Son !
The True Believer, was set apart [sanctified] for a special and specific purpose in Eternity past to be conformed to the Image of Christ, that He may be the Firstborn of many brethren, that is the Firstborn from the dead.

These are the ones God foreknew before all worlds. This foreknowledge of them set them apart or sanctified them for the Specific Purpose of being conformed unto the Image of Christ.

Jeremiah serves as an example of how the Elect were foreknown of God and sanctified before their actual physical existence in time. Jer 1:5

5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

This is foreknowledge here. Before and Knew, meaning to know beforehand.

The word before here is the hebrew word terem and means:

before, not yet, before that

While you were not yet formed[fashioned] in the belly, before even being conceived into existence, God says I knew thee !

The word knew is yada` and it denotes an intimacy in knowing. Its the word used when scripture says that Adam knew His wife Eve intimately and She conceived Cain Gen 4:1

1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

So God intimately knows the foreknown before they are yet conceived in the womb. And He goes on to say, before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee ! We still do not physically or manifestly exist until we come out of the womb. Well as Jeremiah here, all the foreknown, those who were predestinated to be conformed to the Image of God's Son, they were all sanctified for that Purpose before they came out of the womb, in accordance with having been set apart in Eternal Election in Christ Eph 1:4

Now this setting apart in the Divine Purpose from Eternity does not preclude Jeremiah or any of the Foreknown being born into the world as sinners by nature, and children of wrath, but it does ensure that they will be born again anew for the fulfillment of the Divine Purpose.

Yes, when Jeremiah was born as all the elect family of God, He was born a sinner, dead in trespasses and sins like anyone else, or he could be excluded from Solomons inspired words Ecc 7:20

For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

or what the inspired Apostle wrote Rom 5:12

12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

But, sin and death cannot thwart God's Eternal Purpose for the Foreknown, those who have been from before the world began, Sanctified by the Father, in their being Chosen in Christ before the foundation, to be conformed unto His Image.

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Before they are born !

The Believer in Christ, not only was sanctified by the Election of the Father in the Son before the foundation Eph 1:4, they were also before they were born into this world as sinners dead in trespasses and sins, and by nature, children of wrath as others [non elect] they were sanctified by the death or blood of Christ. Scriptures to that effect are Heb 10:9-10

9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10By the which will we [Believers] are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

You see that ? By the Will of God, that will the Son became incarnate to fulfill, in doing so, He offered His body, that means He died and shed His blood, and that is what sanctified believers to be.

They are not sanctified through their believing, but through the offering of the body of Christ, meaning His death. The word sanctified here is in the perfect tense in the greek, denoting a act completed once and for all in the past with effects into the present. Those effects include that the elect sinner is born already positionally sanctified or set apart by the blood of Christ, once and for all.

To say the least, such a one cannot be born legally condemned for their sins even though they have yet to believe, the blood of Christ which positionally sanctified them prevents that !

Another scripture that proves that Christ death sanctified those He died for positionally Heb 13:12

12Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Jeremiah is an example of how the believer is sanctified positionally by the blood of Christ before they are born Jer 1:5

5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Does this mean that Jeremiah was not born a sinner, a child of wrath by nature even as others ? Of course not, He was born a sinner needing to be saved[converted] by Grace as any other man, however He as well as all True believers had been positionally sanctified for God's Holy purpose[In Christ] before they were born, by the offering of the blood of Christ ! The lamb slain from the foundation..
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That phrase does not make sense: Its a non-sequitur. Sanctification is a "proccess" and therefore is not eternal.

Sanctification comes from the Latin "Sanctus", which means Holy. The Bible teaches that we grow in holiness as we grow in Christ. But when we finally eneter heaven, that proccess is completed.
Yes, it is a perplexing phrase, isn't it?

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That phrase does not make sense: Its a non-sequitur. Sanctification is a "proccess" and therefore is not eternal.

Sanctification comes from the Latin "Sanctus", which means Holy. The Bible teaches that we grow in holiness as we grow in Christ. But when we finally eneter heaven, that proccess is completed.
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Yes, it is a perplexing phrase, isn't it?


I think so.
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They shall be Sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Yes, even though the Elect are Sanctified before the world began in God's Eternal Purpose to conform them unto the image of Christ that He may be the Firstborn [from the dead] among many Brethren Rom 8:29-30

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

They are Sanctified positionally by the Death of Christ, before they are born by His Death or Blood Heb 10:10-14


10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

All the elect of God are born Sanctified in this manner before they are even born sinners just as Jeremiah Jer 1:5

5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Now these things being True, They all must be Sanctified by the Spirit of God, He must perform His Sanctifying work in Them by new Birth. 2 Thess 2:13

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

This is when they become experientially sanctified.

Jesus did Pray for this aspect of their sanctification to come to past. Jn 17:17

17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

You see, the Elect although sanctified in all other previous respects, are not sanctified by the Truth until this Work of the Spirit comes to pass, which it surely will for all Christ died !
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How long under Grace ?

Paul writes to the Believers in Rome Rom 6:14

14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

For ye are not under law but under Grace ! Paul without question is here writing to Believers, and He states to them "ye are not under law but under Grace ! My question is how long has the Believer been under Grace ? And what put the Believer under Grace ?

I am persuaded that the Believer, before they actually became a believer in time, has always been under Grace, by the Grace that was given them in their Head Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

You see that ? Paul says that Grace was given us [Believers] in Christ, When ? Before the world began.

John Gill says and I quote:

"which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began;
it is a gift, and a free gift, not at all depending upon any conditions in the creature, and entirely proceeding from the sovereign will of God; and it was a gift from eternity; there was not only a purpose of grace in God's heart, and a promise of it so early, but there was a real donation of it in eternity: and though those to whom it was given did not then personally exist, yet Christ did, and he existed as a covenant head and representative of his people; and they were in him, as members of him, as represented by him, being united to him; and this grace was given to him for them, and to them in him; in whom they were chosen, and in whom they were blessed with all spiritual blessings. The Ethiopic version reads, "in Christ Jesus, who before the world [was]"; but without any foundation. "

You see, the Elect because of this Grace given them in Their Head before the world began, because of that, never had their trespasses imputed to their Charge as per 2 Cor 5:19

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

So the elect were never legally guilty before God because their trespass in Adam per Rom 5:14

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Was not imputed unto them ! They were in the Covenant of Grace !
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