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Matt 7:22-23

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Those who Jesus will utter these momentous words to, I never knew you, though they had been extremely religious, professed believers in Him, yet they never really trusted in Him..

For Nahum 1:7 says:

7The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

Many today, who say they Trust in Jesus Christ for salvation as per Eph 1:12-13

12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Yet it was all lip service, for if you examine their testimony, they really did not Trust the Jesus Christ of the bible for the salvation He wrought out for His elect, but they trusted in their freewill decision in the false Christ who died for every single individual in the world without exception, thereby making their salvation possible.

They did not Trust in the Christ who ensured by His death, the salvation of all the Sheep, and them only, but for that Christ who done all he could to save you, but now its left up to you to get saved..

It is to these that the Lord Jesus Christ, in that Day [ Judgment Day] will say " I never knew you ", this will be those whose names were never written in the Lambs book of Life.. Rev 21:27

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

lest He lied when He states He never knew them or He does not know those whose names are written in His book of Life.

Notice that Jesus says or does not say, I once knew you, but now I do not ! Jesus is intimating that He never was in a covenantal relationship with them, which means He did not shed His Covenant blood for them, hear Jesus words :

Matt 26:28

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Luke 22:20

Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


See the intimacy with His chosen disciples, he stating that His blood was shed for them personally, He knew them intimately as He does all for whom His blood was Shed..

He shed His blood and rose again as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Now He knows His Sheep Jn 10:14

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

So, if He tells them in Matt 7:23, I never knew you, and yet He died for them as His Sheep, then He lied..which of course is out of the question since the word says of Him [see 1 Pet 2:22 & Isa 53:9].

So this would also exclude them for the effects of the blood of the everlasting covenant, since it was shed by Him as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, which Sheep He knew [ Jn 10:14]


Folks, Jesus saying that to them " I never knew you ", He is simply saying that He never die for them, He never shed His Covenant Blood for them, and consequently, all they did in His Name, was vain and works of iniquity, for they never really trusted in him..
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Old 07-08-2011, 06:17 PM
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Matt 7:22-23

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Those who Jesus will utter these momentous words to, I never knew you, though they had been extremely religious, professed believers in Him, yet they never really trusted in Him..

For Nahum 1:7 says:

7The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

Many today, who say they Trust in Jesus Christ for salvation as per Eph 1:12-13

12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Yet it was all lip service, for if you examine their testimony, they really did not Trust the Jesus Christ of the bible for the salvation He wrought out for His elect, but they trusted in their freewill decision in the false Christ who died for every single individual in the world without exception, thereby making their salvation possible.

They did not Trust in the Christ who ensured by His death, the salvation of all the Sheep, and them only, but for that Christ who done all he could to save you, but now its left up to you to get saved..

It is to these that the Lord Jesus Christ, in that Day [ Judgment Day] will say " I never knew you ", this will be those whose names were never written in the Lambs book of Life.. Rev 21:27

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

lest He lied when He states He never knew them or He does not know those whose names are written in His book of Life.

Notice that Jesus says or does not say, I once knew you, but now I do not ! Jesus is intimating that He never was in a covenantal relationship with them, which means He did not shed His Covenant blood for them, hear Jesus words :

Matt 26:28

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Luke 22:20

Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


See the intimacy with His chosen disciples, he stating that His blood was shed for them personally, He knew them intimately as He does all for whom His blood was Shed..

He shed His blood and rose again as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Now He knows His Sheep Jn 10:14

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

So, if He tells them in Matt 7:23, I never knew you, and yet He died for them as His Sheep, then He lied..which of course is out of the question since the word says of Him [see 1 Pet 2:22 & Isa 53:9].

So this would also exclude them for the effects of the blood of the everlasting covenant, since it was shed by Him as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, which Sheep He knew [ Jn 10:14]


Folks, Jesus saying that to them " I never knew you ", He is simply saying that He never die for them, He never shed His Covenant Blood for them, and consequently, all they did in His Name, was vain and works of iniquity, for they never really trusted in him..

That was a very good post. The problem for centuries is that institutional Christianity has taught people things which are not in the bible and are not supported. Especially things which pertain to being spiritually born again.
So many think they are saved by the doctrine of the church which they attend and so many shall never see jesus in the heavenly glory of his kingdom.
Blind leaders of the blind is what Jesus called them. They were there in his day and are still with us today.
If large groups of people in his time could stand before him and not see who he was just think of how many stand now before his knowledge and they do not know him.
I have always said, there is a difference in believing in the existence of something and know for sure what that something is.
People can practice their religious beliefs and do their good works all they want, there remains only one way to salvation, repent and receive the Holy Spirit.
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Jesus will say to many professors of religion, very sincere people in that day of Judgment, " I never knew you " depart from me, ye that work iniquity..Matt 7:22-23


22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Amongst what this means is He never bore their sins or iniquties as in Isa 53:6,11

6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He knows His Sheep Jn 10

11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Seeing how these things are so closely related, Christ knowing His Sheep, and bearing their iniquities, then for Him to say I never knew you, is saying, I never bear your iniquities.

Isa 53 :8

8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

He died or bore the sins of His People, of Gods People, so why would He say to any of them, I never knew you ?

Those He died for, He bare their sins in His own body on the Tree 1 Pet 2:24

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

How could He have done this ? How could He have bare their sins in His own body, and yet proclaim to them, I never Knew you ?

Jesus knew those for whom sins He would die Lk 22:20

20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Jesus knows all those that are His 2 Tim 2:19

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Those whom Christ died for, will depart from iniquity because by the obedience of one, many shall be made righteous rom 5:19b

so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

When those He died for are made righteous, by His obedience, they shall depart from iniquity..

Hence, they can never be called ye workers of iniquity..all their iniquities have been blotted out of the way, washed away by the blood, to be remembered no more Heb 8:12

12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


Now ask yourself, did Christ remember the iniquities of them He says, I never knew you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity ? Sure He did..So He did not die for them..
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Is it not more appropriate to ask these things of Jesus?

Knowing oneself is not worthy to be in resemblance of Christ would give the knowledge we can't have the same authority as Christ.

To say we do these things in Christ's name (have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?) gives the impression we think we have that authority.

Really can we be in resemblance of Christ?

12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

Believing we are as pure as Christ and have authority to do in his name is delusional self glorification.

So better to ask.

The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

John 14.

What more could we ask from Christ than he has already given us???

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The basic premise of the article is that the verses in Matthew refer to those do not trust Jesus.It is impossible for those who engage in the following activities ," have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils and in thy name done many wonderful works" without complete trust and faith in Him.Rather the verses must be referring to ministers who have fallen into sin and accordingly then had their salvation denied.
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It is in context from verse twenty one in which Christ tells us exactly whom He never knew, which are they that do not make the sincere effort to do the things which He says. We shall be either wise (verse twenty four) or foolish (verse twenty six).
In (John 15:13-14) Christ tells us exactly for whom He lays down His life for, namely, for His friends; and His friends are again, they that do make the sincere effort to do the things which He says.
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He never Loved them. For Christ to tell some that He never knew them, and this word knew denoting intimacy, then Jesus is saying I never Loved you. For He Loved His Bride and Church and gave His Life for it, so He knew her and Loved her..Eph 5:25

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved or knew the church, and gave himself for it;
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