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Old 05-19-2011, 10:01 AM
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rom 5:

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This scripture is very clear that those for whom christ died, his elect, sheep, his church..that we were reconciled to God by the death of christ, and that while we were enemies by nature..

The elect arent enemies as in the seed of satan, but in that by nature, we are enemies in our minds towards God, more like at enmity..i.e col 1:

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

The word reconciled is the greek word:

katallassō which means:


to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value

a) to reconcile (those who are at variance)

b) return to favour with, be reconciled to one


c)
to receive one into favour

This is strong here, for it denotes, even while we [the elect] are in a unregenerated, unconverted state, and engaging in a ungodly lifestyle, we the elect, for whom christ died was recieved into the Favor of God..we had been accepted in the beloved, on account of His death..

Rom 5 10 reconciled to God by the death of His Son, in the greek its a aorist passive, its past tense, and we recieved the action from the merits of his death, that is reconciled to God..

Now, its clearly taught in scripture here, that we had been reconciled, put into the favor of God, while we were at enimity with God, meaning before faith, believing, or repenting..

Now, if the elect were reconciled to God before believing, before conversion, so also where they Justified before God by the death /blood of Jesus christ as well.. notice rom 5:

9Much more then, being now justified by his blood,..understand that his blood in this verse, is the same as his death in vs 10..and so both blessings are secured by His blood or death..

Not only are we the elect, reconciled by Jesus christ death while at enmity with him in our minds and works, but likewise we have been Justitifed before God by his death, even while we were in a state of enmity in our minds and wicked works..

This is very important to understand, because satan, the deciever, has fooled, deceived many into believeing that faith or believing iis the causative reason for Justification, and not the death/blood of christ alone..for this is a false gospel, and he that is snared with it is not wise unto salvation..

God is going to use this message to either deliver His people, or confirm the devils people in the lie...

But be sure, all spiritual blessings were given freely to Gods elect ones, by and through the bloody death of their chief Sheperd..
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:37 AM
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This is very important to understand, because satan, the deciever, has fooled, deceived many into believeing that faith or believing iis the causative reason for Justification, and not the death/blood of christ alone..for this is a false gospel, and he that is snared with it is not wise unto salvation..
Does Satan have free will then? The way you write about him, one would think somehow Satan is able to subvert God's plan in a way men (who lacking free will, as you say) cannot.
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The blessings of being reconciled, is that Jesus christ has made peace with God for the elect.. col 1:

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Paul writes having made peace..not offering peace, or making peace available, but Jes christ has made peace, and has reconciled the elect of all time, in heaven and on earth unto God..

Making peace with His cross, thats the meaning of reconciliation, restoring to a peaceful relationship, this is again what the death of christ effected, and not as the false teachers teach, that peace is merely offered to all mankind or merely made possible to guilty sinners, but in all actuality, peace has been made by the cross of Jesus christ, reconciliation has been made for all them he died for..

We the elect have peace with God as it pertains to His Law we violated in adam and in our personal sins..but notice..col 2:

14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


So Jesus took away the enimity of the Law against Gods people..

Next and a sorely neglected truth, is that Jesus christ took away the enimity that the elect have by nature towards God..col 1:


20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

Jesus christ reconciliation on the cross, ensures a renewd mind that is given in the newbirth..a mind that serves the law of God as in rom 7:

I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

This is only true with a renewed mind, not the mind we have by nature..because as col 1 21 clearly states, that mind is alienated and at enmity with God..

But the renewed mind as in eph 4:

23And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

be ye renewed is in the passive voice in the greek, so the subject is being acted upon..This being acted upon is the result of , not freewill, but the death of christ..you see, the death and blood of Jesus christ ensures this new mind and heart, because the elect have been reconciled to God by His death..

This is what ensures Justication by faith, that we have peace with God..because of the reconciliation his death effected..God preached the gospel to abe in saying: gal 3:

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Now how was this effected ? The Justification of the heathen by faith ? Why it was effected by His cross..His reconciling them unto Him..

eph 2:

13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

lastly, the reconciliation of the cross, makes peace between Jew and gentiles..race differences are broken down, the enemity that brings..again eph 2:

14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

So these are a few of the Things that result from the blood of christ and having been reconciled by his cross..

Peace from the law of God

Peace from our natural enmity against God

peace with our racial differences with those of the same household of faith..

May God through Christ be Glorified today..

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8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
If these people were already elect and part of Israel, why does this verse call them "heathen"?

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Old 06-03-2011, 04:48 PM
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This form of Calvinism has satan as an employee of God. If we lack free will, then God is as much a destroyer of life as a creator of it, sending us to be tortured by His demonic workers without chance of reprieve during life.

Who would worship God if He condemned you from birth? This fallacy breeds atheism, and is contrary to the nature of God, who is selfless love. You don't even need to copy and paste Bible verses to see that...
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This form of Calvinism has satan as an employee of God. If we lack free will, then God is as much a destroyer of life as a creator of it, sending us to be tortured by His demonic workers without chance of reprieve during life.

Who would worship God if He condemned you from birth? This fallacy breeds atheism, and is contrary to the nature of God, who is selfless love. You don't even need to copy and paste Bible verses to see that...
It's too bad you cannot receive the Love of the Truth..
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Old 06-04-2011, 06:56 AM
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It's too bad you cannot receive the Love of the Truth..
I would say SeraphimH has received the truth about Love. God is Love.
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