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Old 04-30-2011, 04:43 AM
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Rom 8:

31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?


32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

This too is the Gospel ! We talk much about God's Love and rightly so, for He Loved the world of His own People so much that He sacrificed His Only begotten Son per Jn 3 16 & 1 jn 4 9

Jn 3:

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 jn 4

9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

In doing this, He [ God the Father] laid to His Son's charge all the legal condemnation that His sinful People had incurred and rightly deserved, in order that He [ Jesus Christ] would pay the death penalty, the curse, and condemnation on their behalf, that He would satisfy His righteousness and strict Justice.

Christ having done this, God in Justice and Righteousness cannot in all Fairness hold any charges of legal condemnation against any for whom Christ died, namely vs 33 God's elect..

So it is in the scheme of Salvation, that none of those Christ died for, can be legally condemned by God, though they are oft times by others and even themselves, because of the obedience [meaning His Death phil 2:8]. Because of this, it will be given to each of them, and them only to believe on His name per phil 1:

29For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

It is given to some [ who Christ died for and took upon Himself their condemnation] to believe upon His Name..

Those who do believe in Christ through His Gospel, are making manifest that they are not condemned before God [ Christ having taken their condemnation upon Himself], hence it is written,

Jn 3:18a

He that believeth on him is not condemned: Yes, Believing on Him indicates that they are not in a condemned state, why ? Because Christ has been condemned for them..

but next He that believeth not:

but he that believeth not is condemned already: meaning, being in a condemned state already, he cannot believe. Those who reject the True Gospel and its doctrines, make manifest that they are remaining in a condemned state, Christ having not bore their sin penalty, so it is not given to them in behalf of Christ to believe on Him..

because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

In other words, not believing on the only begotten Son is evidence that one is in a already condemned state..

Those who come to believe on Christ are giving evidence of having been given the Faith of Gods elect, and that they never had [as Gods elect] charges laid upon them by God, because God laid them on their Surety and Shepherd His Son Jesus Christ, and it is He that had died for them already..

Those whose sins never being charged to Christ, they cannot believe as indicated by Jn 12:39

Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means too that they were not of God's elect..
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Old 05-02-2011, 05:13 AM
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1 pet 1:

1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Deut 7:

6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Election is that Sovereign act of God, whereby of His own good pleasure before the foundation of the world, He chose out of Mankind and in Christ, a number that no man can number, to be the objects of His Special Love [which is the only Love He has since He is a Special Being] and Grace..
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:09 AM
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We heard this from you before. Do you know anything else, or is this your only thing?
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Rom 8:

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

This is a scripture that among other things, it teaches us who Christ died for, the elect !

Notice " Who shall lay a charge against God's elect or chosen " of course the answer is no one can bring a charge with any avail against them. Now lets look at the reasons Why !

#1. Because it is God that Justifieth, and that by grace rom 3:

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

#2. It is because Christ hath died ! vs 34, that is it is Christ that hath died for them , the elect in vs 33..

And thats why they cannot be condemned.

Please notice, that Paul gives no reason that the elect done themselves, i.e repent or believe or ect..but rather because Christ hath died, so the inference is that Christ died for their sins as per 1 cor 15:3.

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our [Elect] sins according to the scriptures;


That means Christ was condemned and charged in their stead, and God's wrath towards them has been propitiated, for having been condemned for all their sins, transgressions, trespasses and iniquities and unrighteousness, yes every one of them, past, present and future..
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Old 06-04-2011, 09:29 AM
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The problem with being among the elect is that it's easy to fall away due to pride which leads to arrogance which leads to disobedience which causes sin .

Matthew 7:21-23

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21Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only the ones who obey my Father in heaven will get in. 22On the day of judgment many will call me their Lord. They will say, "We preached in your name, and in your name we forced out demons and worked many miracles." 23But I will tell them, "I will have nothing to do with you! Get out of my sight, you evil people!"
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The problem with being among the elect is that it's easy to fall away due to pride
Thats actually the problem with the non elect, pride, for they feel like they did something to accomplish their salvation with God, that someone else did not do who is not saved.
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Are the elect under God's condemnation for their sins before they repent and believe the Gospel ?
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Are the elect under God's condemnation for their sins before they repent and believe the Gospel ?


The answer is NO, the elect are never under God's condemnation for their sins, that is legally, because Legally, Christ became their surety before the world began in the Everlasting Covenant. You see Christ blood was shed according to the stipulations of a everlasting covenant heb 13:

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

As the Surety in that Covenant, He represented only the Sheep..thats why it says He , the Great Shepherd of the Sheep was brought again from the dead..

According to that Covenant, The Shepherd of the Sheep was Liable for all the Transgressions of those Sheep, God the Father never laid their liabilities on the Sheep, but on thew Shepherd of the Sheep..

This is another way of saying rom 8:

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect [sheep]? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ [The Shepherd] that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Notice He is risen again, cp with heb 13 20 where it says "brought again from the dead, the Great Shepherd of the Sheep" or it could read, Brought again from the Dead the Great Shepherd of the Elect..
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There are charges against the Elect. They are "bearing false witness" /"slander".
The internet has made this this visible for all to see and it is painfully commonplace to see slander as though it was factual.
Bearing false witness is one of the 6 things God hates.
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There are charges against the Elect.
Not from God !
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