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Old 02-28-2011, 09:41 AM
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Benny Hinn did a teaching the other day on his program...
He explained that the name of God "Elohim" is such: El~refers to GOD as in El-Shaddai:
but the "im" in Elohim refers to God in the plural form from the Hebrew transcripts:
Thus relating that "In the beginning GODs made the heavens and the earth": Hinn goes on to explain that this is the introduction to the trinity. Father, Son, Holy Ghost

Does anybody have a thought on this?
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Old 02-28-2011, 10:50 AM
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Benny Hinn did a teaching the other day on his program...
He explained that the name of God "Elohim" is such: El~refers to GOD as in El-Shaddai:
but the "im" in Elohim refers to God in the plural form from the Hebrew transcripts:
Thus relating that "In the beginning GODs made the heavens and the earth": Hinn goes on to explain that this is the introduction to the trinity. Father, Son, Holy Ghost

Does anybody have a thought on this?
Don't send him any money.
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:05 AM
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Benny Hinn did a teaching the other day on his program...
He explained that the name of God "Elohim" is such: El~refers to GOD as in El-Shaddai:
but the "im" in Elohim refers to God in the plural form from the Hebrew transcripts:
Thus relating that "In the beginning GODs made the heavens and the earth": Hinn goes on to explain that this is the introduction to the trinity. Father, Son, Holy Ghost

Does anybody have a thought on this?
That is correct, Elohim is plural for God. Although in this case one would not necessarily translate it as "Gods," but rather God (plural) in contrast to God (singular). Thus that there is "one Elohim" is to say that there is one plural deity, and this is indeed the Trinity. In Genesis we see that plurality: "Let Us make man...Let Us go down..." We find that the "us" is threefold as the God appears as three persons to Abraham and Sarah by the oak of Mamre.

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LOL. Yes, he probably could survive comfortably on what he has now. He probably doesn't need a new car every year.
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:19 AM
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Also, one can tell the difference when referring to the one Hebrew God and pagan gods not only by context, but by grammer, as Elohim used in connection with God is grammatically singular (i.e. it governs a singular verb, as well as singular adjectives), whereas when used with multiple heathen deities it is grammatically plural.
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Also, one can tell the difference when referring to the one Hebrew God and pagan gods not only by context, but by grammer, as Elohim used in connection with God is grammatically singular (i.e. it governs a singular verb, as well as singular adjectives), whereas when used with multiple heathen deities it is grammatically plural.
Thank you Linsinbigler,

Ive had to re-read your posts a couple of time before I finally understood...

the statement "One Plural Deity" really opened my eyes...

So with "Elohim" being able to be used to refer to both the One Hebrew God and the pagan gods; Is it fair to think that maybe "Elohim" is not one of the names of God but rather a statement of who he is?
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This is also the name used in Deut. 6:4. They will recognize Him someday.
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Thank you Linsinbigler,

Ive had to re-read your posts a couple of time before I finally understood...

the statement "One Plural Deity" really opened my eyes...

So with "Elohim" being able to be used to refer to both the One Hebrew God and the pagan gods; Is it fair to think that maybe "Elohim" is not one of the names of God but rather a statement of who he is?
I think it is safe to say that it is both description and name. The same as "Lord" and "lord," or even "King" and "king."

He is the God of gods, the Lord of lords, and the King of kings.

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.

Joshua 22:22
“The LORD God of gods, the LORD God of gods, He knows, and let Israel itself know—if it is in rebellion, or if in treachery against the LORD, do not save us this day.

Psalm 136:2
Oh, give thanks to the God of gods!For His mercy endures forever.

Daniel 2:47
The king answered Daniel, and said, “Truly your God is the God of gods, the Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, since you could reveal this secret.”

Daniel 11:36
“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.
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Another view.

Elohim is plural to EL but foreign gods many times are called in the bible OT as elim.

Just like Abram was changed by YHWH ELOHIM to AbraHam - H is paralel to Hey in Hebrew and is one of the letters of the tetragramation i.e YHWH.

Jesus spoke the psalm thats states the following:

Elohim standed in assembly ( congregation) of El, among Elohim He judged.

You can see that Elohim can be singular and plural.

In Genesis I think its not the trinity but Elohim ( Father Son HG) and his emesaries, servants the angels.

Micha-EL, Gabri-EL, Rafa-EL, Ori-EL etc.

All these are also members of Elohim.

There is EL - Shaday as there is also YHWH Elohim.

Abraham was visited by YHWH and 2 additional emissaries, servants who are called in english Angels. They are all YHWH's creation.

YHWH is the one who was, is and will be for ever and ever.
There is no other God but YHWH.

Deuteronomy כִּי, יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵיכֶם--הוּא אֱלֹהֵי הָאֱלֹהִים, וַאֲדֹנֵי הָאֲדֹנִים: הָאֵל הַגָּדֹל הַגִּבֹּר, וְהַנּוֹרָא, אֲשֶׁר לֹא-יִשָּׂא פָנִים, וְלֹא יִקַּח שֹׁחַד. 17
For the YHWH your God, He is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the awful, who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.

Joshua 22:22

כב אֵל אֱלֹהִים יְהוָה אֵל אֱלֹהִים יְהוָה, הוּא יֹדֵעַ, וְיִשְׂרָאֵל, הוּא יֵדָע: אִם-בְּמֶרֶד וְאִם-בְּמַעַל בַּיהוָה, אַל-תּוֹשִׁיעֵנוּ הַיּוֹם הַזֶּה. 22 'God, God, the YHWH, God, God, the YHWH, He knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if it be in rebellion, or if in treachery against the YHWH--save Thou us not this day--

Psalm 136 1,2

א הוֹדוּ לַיהוָה כִּי-טוֹב: כִּי לְעוֹלָם חַסְדּוֹ. 1 O give thanks unto the YHWH, for He is good, for His mercy endureth for ever.
ב הוֹדוּ, לֵאלֹהֵי הָאֱלֹהִים: כִּי לְעוֹלָם חַסְדּוֹ. 2 O give thanks unto the God of gods, for His mercy endureth for ever.

Daniel 2:47
עָנֵה מַלְכָּא לְדָנִיֵּאל וְאָמַר, מִן-קְשֹׁט דִּי אֱלָהֲכוֹן הוּא אֱלָהּ אֱלָהִין וּמָרֵא מַלְכִין--וְגָלֵה רָזִין: דִּי יְכֵלְתָּ, לְמִגְלֵא רָזָא דְנָה. 47 The king spoke unto Daniel, and said: 'Of a truth it is, that your God is the God of gods, and the Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou hast been able to reveal this secret.'


לו וְעָשָׂה כִרְצֹנוֹ הַמֶּלֶךְ, וְיִתְרוֹמֵם וְיִתְגַּדֵּל עַל-כָּל-אֵל, וְעַל אֵל אֵלִים, יְדַבֵּר נִפְלָאוֹת; וְהִצְלִיחַ עַד-כָּלָה זַעַם, כִּי נֶחֱרָצָה נֶעֱשָׂתָה. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak strange things against the God of gods; and he shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished; for that which is determined shall be done.

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Old 02-28-2011, 10:47 PM
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Well, I got lost, but, what you are saying, is Jesus Christ is no less God than The Father, no less God than The Spirit. One God! Right? In his Love Mark!
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