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Old 02-25-2011, 07:10 PM
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all Catholics & Orthodox are .......................
yea ; but Protestants are .........................

get over your-self's

who here says
if your not a catholic then you are not a christian ?
--------------or------------------------
if you are not a protestant then you are not a christian ?


WHO IN THIS FORUM IS TIRED OF THIS ?
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Old 02-26-2011, 02:10 AM
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A Christian is one who believes Jesus.

A Christian is one who trusts in the Atonement provided by Jesus.


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Old 02-26-2011, 02:17 AM
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all Catholics & Orthodox are ....................... wrapped up in peforming unbiblical practices.
yea ; but Protestants are ......................... protesting the authority of the papacy...and may also be wrapped up in unbilical practices.

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get over your-self's
Its not about pride its about contending earnestly for the faith.

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who here says
if your not a catholic then you are not a christian ?
--------------or------------------------
if you are not a protestant then you are not a christian ?
I havn't heard anyone say it....have you?

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WHO IN THIS FORUM IS TIRED OF THIS ?
Probably those who cant defend their practices.
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Old 02-26-2011, 11:37 AM
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all Catholics & Orthodox are .......................
yea ; but Protestants are .........................

get over your-self's

who here says
if your not a catholic then you are not a christian ?
--------------or------------------------
if you are not a protestant then you are not a christian ?


WHO IN THIS FORUM IS TIRED OF THIS ?

I can't say I've seen that much here....

There ARE disagreements here vis-a-vis doctrines and practices. I don't think any SHOULD be overly surprised by that. NEVER in the 2000 year history of Christianity have all Christians fully agreed on all issues.

As I understand it, when we signed up at THIS website, we signed up to WORK together to pursue truth. IMO, that's a difficult task and it requires a LOT of hard, hard work. And it mandates an attitude of humility ("I could be wrong") and accountability ("all doctrines that divide us are equally accountable - including mine") and community ("This WE will seek TOGETHER"). To seek mandates that no one insists he/her has it., doesn't it?

Additionally, important to this process is mutual respect. No "us vs. them" mentality. No "I'm infallible, you're apostate!." No, "I'm a full Christian, you're well.... less than I am!" We won't LISTEN to each other if we don't embrace each other as EQUAL brothers and sisters in Christ, EQUALLY a part of His Body.



That's my perspective. What's yours?


Pax


- Josiah






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Old 02-26-2011, 12:26 PM
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John 17:20
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Old 02-26-2011, 01:42 PM
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John 17:20

EXACTLY;
in fact the whole chapter should be read over
to bring light to this topic
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Old 02-26-2011, 01:50 PM
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John 17:20
Do you think the "unity" He prayed for is...
1) Cognative, didactic - we all articulate all aspects of faith in identical words?
2) One mega institutional, legal/political, entity? One huge political entity?
3) Spiritually? Of one heart, with faith in Christ as our Savior and Lord?
4) Expressive? We treat and regard each other as full, unseparated, equal and equally blessed brothers and sisters in Christ even IF we don't FULLY agree in ALL things or all worship in one room or use the identical liturgy (in Aramaic) or sing the same stanzas of the same 4 hymns every Sunday?
Or does it mean, "Everyone and everything should be just like ME?"








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Old 02-26-2011, 02:13 PM
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[quote=Josiah;107767]Do you think the "unity" He prayed for is...
1) Cognative, didactic - we all articulate all aspects of faith in identical words?
2) One mega institutional, legal/political, entity? One huge political entity?
3) Spiritually? Of one heart, with faith in Christ as our Savior and Lord?
4) Expressive? We treat and regard each other as full, unseparated, equal and equally blessed brothers and sisters in Christ even IF we don't FULLY agree in ALL things or all worship in one room or use the identical liturgy (in Aramaic) or sing the same stanzas of the same 4 hymns every Sunday?
Or does it mean, "Everyone and everything should be just like ME?"





you keep looking at "we" and not "he"


the denominational wars is stated in the ---"we"


like drugs ----just say no

this is about-------------------------- i"s
the i's that are----------------------- in him

there are many i's in him
but there are no -------------------"we's" in him

nobody goes to heaven by the collective --"we"


we believe ------------------- means nothing
i believe ---------------------- will be called into account


the unity spoken of here is not a -------------we---unity

the unity spoken of here is the "i" being---------- in Jesus
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Old 02-26-2011, 02:23 PM
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[quote=alphaomega;107769]
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Do you think the "unity" He prayed for is...
1) Cognative, didactic - we all articulate all aspects of faith in identical words?
2) One mega institutional, legal/political, entity? One huge political entity?
3) Spiritually? Of one heart, with faith in Christ as our Savior and Lord?
4) Expressive? We treat and regard each other as full, unseparated, equal and equally blessed brothers and sisters in Christ even IF we don't FULLY agree in ALL things or all worship in one room or use the identical liturgy (in Aramaic) or sing the same stanzas of the same 4 hymns every Sunday?
Or does it mean, "Everyone and everything should be just like ME?"





you keep looking at "we" and not "he"


the denominational wars is stated in the ---"we"


like drugs ----just say no

this is about-------------------------- i"s
the i's that are----------------------- in him

there are many i's in him
but there are no -------------------"we's" in him

nobody goes to heaven by the collective --"we"


we believe ------------------- means nothing
i believe ---------------------- will be called into account


the unity spoken of here is not a -------------we---unity

the unity spoken of here is the "i" being---------- in Jesus

I see. So, the prayer in John 20 is singular: As long as Josiah is "united" with Jesus - then all is well?

Is this unity of self with Jesus cognative? Spiritual? Institutional? Active? None or all of the above?


I think I DO "see" your position. But we may have to just agree to disagree. While I do affirm a "me and Jesus" dimension, I think MUCH stronger is the Jesus and WE dimension. The Church is us - not just ME. But perhaps we're talking "past" each other, my brother.





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Old 02-26-2011, 02:27 PM
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[quote=Josiah;107771]
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I see. So, the prayer in John 20 is singular: As long as Josiah is "united" with Jesus - then all is well?

Is this unity of self with Jesus cognative? Spiritual? Institutional? Active? None or all of the above?


I think I DO "see" your position. But we may have to just agree to disagree. While I do affirm a "me and Jesus" dimension, I think MUCH stronger is the Jesus and WE dimension. The Church is us - not just ME. But perhaps we're talking "past" each other, my brother.





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maybe ; we talking past each other ; or maybe we need to slow down

my point is

a person will be saved on an individual basis ;
and not by church affiliation

do we agree with this ?
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