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Old 01-14-2011, 05:46 PM
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Hi to all and there are many believers that say that there is only one Gospel and that we are to follow Jesus and many say that Peter or that we should follow Paul as 1` Cor 11:1 , " be ye followers of me as I also am of Christ ".

#1 , and here it is , since Acts 9 and has continued for 2000 years and counting as we are saved by Grace , Eph 2:8 " for by Grace are you saved " , and Jews and Gentiles are saved and PLACED into the Body of Christ , 1 Cor 12:13 .

#2 , The Jews will be saved as a Nation , being " born again " ( Isa 66:8 ) " shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day ?? or shall a Nation be born at once ???

This happens at the END of the Great Tribulation when Israel is saved .

In Jer 31:31 ; Ezek 36:38 and Heb 8:6 - 13 and Rev 1:6 where the Nation of Israel will be made Kings and Priests unto God and His Father in the Millennium and these are all Jews . Here , the 12 apostles will sit on 12 Thrones judging Israel and not Gentiles .

#3 , The last group will be the Gentiles in the 1000 year reign of Christ and Rom 11:17 - 24 reveals that they will be GRAFTED INTO the Olive tree .

So , there 3 different ways the people are saved in the bible , depending on what age we are in , dan p

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Old 01-14-2011, 06:14 PM
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The title baffles me. Gods plan is for all to come through Jesus Christ. Perhaps you mean something else? Aren't messianic jewish believers already grafted into the vine, Jesus Christ? Just as individuals (gentiles), can also be cut off. That verse does not mean as a nation, does it, do you see it that way?
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Old 01-14-2011, 06:43 PM
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The title baffles me. Gods plan is for all to come through Jesus Christ. Perhaps you mean something else? Aren't messianic jewish believers already grafted into the vine, Jesus Christ? Just as individuals (gentiles), can also be cut off. That verse does not mean as a nation, does it, do you see it that way?
Hi billyb , and we are in the Age of Grace and if you disagree , what age are we in ???

Remember , that Israel as a Nation has been set aside as Acts 13:46 and Acts 18:6 and Acts 28:25 -29 reveals !

Read the OP and check the verses given and believe what you read , dan p
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Old 01-26-2011, 05:52 AM
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The only plan of salvation is faith in Jesus. For Jew and Gentile alike.
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:24 PM
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The only plan of salvation is faith in Jesus. For Jew and Gentile alike.
Amen... this was even true when the children of Jacob were in the wilderness following Moses. They did not know the name, but a few [perhaps only 2] recognised who and what he was...
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:23 AM
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I have noticed that the OP's opinion is a prevelant one in 'Christianity' today especially in American Evangelical circles.

The true Isreal of God is the Church of Christ.

This is not 'REPLACEMENT theology'.

The Church of Christ does not REPLACE the 'Jews'. The convenant of Grace (the same that was made with faithful Abraham) is open to Jew and Greek alike.

The place that we call the nation state of isreal means NOTHING to true Christians today. We should not be supporting that talmudic zionist Rothschild creation in any way shape or form.

Any specific land promises made to the House of Isreal were fulfilled a LONG time ago.

The only hope is in Christ Jesus. For all.
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The only plan of salvation is faith in Jesus. For Jew and Gentile alike.
That is not what our Lord said. He will separate us at the final judgement at the "end of times" like the "goats and sheep". It is faith and works..read the parable and the Book of James.

No, Catholics do not believe that we can "work our way in to Heaven", but we all have to make an accounting to Jesus.
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That is not what our Lord said. He will separate us at the final judgement at the "end of times" like the "goats and sheep". It is faith and works..read the parable and the Book of James.

No, Catholics do not believe that we can "work our way in to Heaven", but we all have to make an accounting to Jesus.
If you really understood the book of James and balanced it sensibly with ALL the letters of Paul you would know that we are Justified ONLY by Faith (faith that must bear good works to be genuine).

It's got nothing to do with striving to perform works to gain justification.

End judgement has got nothing to do with how we are given salvation.
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The only plan of salvation is faith in Jesus. For Jew and Gentile alike.
So are you saying that everyone who doesn't know Jesus is going to Hell?

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If you really understood the book of James and balanced it sensibly with ALL the letters of Paul you would know that we are Justified ONLY by Faith (faith that must bear good works to be genuine).
Sounds good, but that is not in the Bible.

Here we have another example of what I was speaking of in my other thread, a protestant denying the plain language of the Bible and instead distorting it in order to force it to fit a manmade doctrine.
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The title baffles me. Gods plan is for all to come through Jesus Christ. Perhaps you mean something else? Aren't messianic jewish believers already grafted into the vine, Jesus Christ? Just as individuals (gentiles), can also be cut off. That verse does not mean as a nation, does it, do you see it that way?
Hi billyb , and in the OT and in the Gospel , it is the Old Covenant which was a schoolmaster , in Gal 3:23 - 25 , for the Law of Moses was only temporary .


When they , th Jews , killed their Messiah , Jesus raised up another Apostle to the Gentiles and Paul went out Preaching the Grace of God , in Acts 20:24 and of course in Eph 3:1 - 9 and preaching , by Grace are ye SAVED , Eph 2:8 AND NOT BY WORKS .

Then Israel will be saved at the Second coming of Christ , in Matt 24:27 - 31 , and this is when the New Covenant is put into operation .

Then , there will Gentiles saved during the 1000 reign of Christ and these Gentiles will be saved , by being GRAFTED into the Olive Tree in Rom 11:25 .

DAN P

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