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Old 08-04-2010, 07:18 AM
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This was written by Art Katz. I thought it would help some of us when to explain what sin is....verbage can be important when shareing truth.


As Karl Barth noted, “the very fact that we are sinners incapacitates us to recognizing ourselves as sinners.” We are not in a position to estimate and evaluate our own condition. Therefore, if there is going to be any revelation and understanding of the truth of our condition, both as individuals and as a nation, then it has got to come from a source outside of our own subjectivity. We need categories that have not been ours, and they are not categories that a sinful man will naturally seek.

Sin is the transgression of the Law, but not in some narrow, legal sense of failing to comply with the legal requirements. The Law is the summation of God; it is what He is in His righteousness as is expressed through His ordinance and commandments. To transgress His commandments is to transgress God. We are not talking of simply running a red traffic light. A commandment is a statement of God, and it encapsulates all that God is—His mercy, goodness, wisdom, righteousness, etc. These are all caught up in the words, “Thou shall not…” To disobey the Law’s requirement is an astonishing affront against God; it is the repudiation of His authority.

For God to allow sin to go unrecognized, and for Him not to respond to it, renders Him ‘non-God’—certainly not a God who is holy and righteous. It is not that He is an egotist requiring that recognition, but what would be the consequence for mankind if God were not God? And if man is going to see himself as a sinner, then something is required, namely, a confrontation with God as God in His majesty and awesome proportions. That revelation is alone contained and given at the crucifixion of Jesus, at the place where our unbelief refuses to consider it. It is there, in the depth of darkness and judgment, that the revelation of man as sinner is given.

One distinctive of sin is its ability to cover its own tracks. In other words, it does not reveal itself as sin, and that is how perverse the essence of sin is. That is also why it takes something from God to reveal the nature of sin, and if we reject that revelation, we will remain in an unhappy condition. God has employed the statement of His judgment as it was visited upon His own Son as being the revelation of the nature of sin. Sin deserves judgment, and that judgment found its victim in God’s own Son. There is no way to know the exceeding sinfulness of sin except by the means required to expiate it, namely, what it cost God to requite it. Sin is everything calculated against God—in spirit, in tone, in attitude and disposition, and we indulge ourselves in unbelief to defiantly reject the character of God in the statement He has given concerning sin.

When we come to the utter, abject sense of total hopelessness, total futility and total helplessness of anything that we can effect in ourselves or by ourselves, then we have come and are coming to a deeper and truer knowledge of God and ourselves. If we want to know God, then we have got to know Him in His judgments. If we want to see His judgment, then look the Crucifixion of Jesus. That is God judging, and if we do not see God there, we do not see in any true way. If we have complaint about seeing God there, it is the testimony that what He says of our condition is true.
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Old 08-05-2010, 12:09 PM
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Hey, you know if you stop and think about what brought about the fall of mankind, it wasn't murder, adultery, or anything else like that but rather just disobedience. Amazingly in our eyes that seems so insignificant, especially when we can see that Satan had to deceive them to get them to disobey, but in God's eyes disobedience was enough to bring about God's consequences. Alot of times we tend to categorize sin in a way that God doesn't.
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Old 08-05-2010, 05:39 PM
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Disobedience = the state of sin
Excepting the offering of JC eliminates the state of sin...hence we sin no more with obedience to God's will.
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:00 PM
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Hey, you know if you stop and think about what brought about the fall of mankind, it wasn't murder, adultery, or anything else like that but rather just disobedience. Amazingly in our eyes that seems so insignificant, especially when we can see that Satan had to deceive them to get them to disobey, but in God's eyes disobedience was enough to bring about God's consequences. Alot of times we tend to categorize sin in a way that God doesn't.
I LIKE WHERE YOU RE GOING WITH THIS ; ( LETS LOOK AT THE BEGINNING)

WHAT PART OF SIN WAS IN JUST LISTENING TO THE SERPENT?
WHAT PART WAS DOING WHAT THE SERPENT SAID ?
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I LIKE WHERE YOU RE GOING WITH THIS ; ( LETS LOOK AT THE BEGINNING)

WHAT PART OF SIN WAS IN JUST LISTENING TO THE SERPENT?
WHAT PART WAS DOING WHAT THE SERPENT SAID ?
Good questions. I'm not sure how I would answer the first question because both questions kinda sound the same. If by listening, you mean just hearing him, then I don't think that was sin in itself because ,remember, that Jesus heard him as well, and in him was no sin. But unlike Adam and Eve, Jesus did not DO what satan said to do. Adam and Eve clearly knew what was right and wrong, they knew it was right to eat from any tree in the garden, they also knew it was wrong to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They also knew what the consequece was for disobeying the word of God. Death.
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Good questions. I'm not sure how I would answer the first question because both questions kinda sound the same. If by listening, you mean just hearing him, then I don't think that was sin in itself because ,remember, that Jesus heard him as well, and in him was no sin. But unlike Adam and Eve, Jesus did not DO what satan said to do. Adam and Eve clearly knew what was right and wrong, they knew it was right to eat from any tree in the garden, they also knew it was wrong to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They also knew what the consequece was for disobeying the word of God. Death.
I HAD/HAVE NO PRECONCEIVED STATEMENTS TO OFFER
I JUST KINDA THREW OUT MY THOUGHTS

SO IF I GOT YOU RIGHT

LISTENING PLAYS NO PART
BUT THEN DOING DOES

WHAT YOU SAID SEEMS TO BE RIGHT
I JUST NEVER EXPLORED THIS BEFORE
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I HAD/HAVE NO PRECONCEIVED STATEMENTS TO OFFER
I JUST KINDA THREW OUT MY THOUGHTS

SO IF I GOT YOU RIGHT

LISTENING PLAYS NO PART
BUT THEN DOING DOES

WHAT YOU SAID SEEMS TO BE RIGHT
I JUST NEVER EXPLORED THIS BEFORE
TY ; FOR THE ANSWER
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Sin is acting on temptation(listening in this case)...you see it is not sin that Christ asks the father to protect us from and overcome it is temptation. If we sin it is to late.
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Sin is acting on temptation(listening in this case)...you see it is not sin that Christ asks the father to protect us from and overcome it is temptation. If we sin it is to late.
Right, but temptation in itself is not sin, atleast not to the person being tempted, until you give into that temptation, then it becomes sin. Remember Jesus was tempted in everyway, yet was without sin. I'm not sure if you said pretty much the same thing.
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Right, but temptation in itself is not sin, atleast not to the person being tempted, until you give into that temptation, then it becomes sin. Remember Jesus was tempted in everyway, yet was without sin. I'm not sure if you said pretty much the same thing.
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