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Old 10-02-2009, 10:03 AM
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Default Spiritual issues of a deep nature.

I wanted to run my thoughts by you guys and gals. Tell me your thoughts:

Something clicked while I was praying in the spirit one day. Every time I pray in the spirit I see the world as not being solid and entirely real. The only thing that is real at that time is my spirit, the Spirit of God, and spiritual things in general. The world seemed to be a sea of dreams where nothing is real. Everything was moving in very slow waves that I can see only when I am focusing on my spirit for purposes of edification.

The problem is that the brain and everything in it is a part of this sea of dreams. The emotions, the memories, and the senses themselves are parts of the physical brain. Can we be nothing more than spiritual creachers dreaming a world that will have eternal consequences when we wake up to the true reality?

Tell me what you all think.
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Old 10-02-2009, 10:49 AM
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I wanted to run my thoughts by you guys and gals. Tell me your thoughts:

Something clicked while I was praying in the spirit one day. Every time I pray in the spirit I see the world as not being solid and entirely real. The only thing that is real at that time is my spirit, the Spirit of God, and spiritual things in general. The world seemed to be a sea of dreams where nothing is real. Everything was moving in very slow waves that I can see only when I am focusing on my spirit for purposes of edification.

The problem is that the brain and everything in it is a part of this sea of dreams. The emotions, the memories, and the senses themselves are parts of the physical brain. Can we be nothing more than spiritual creachers dreaming a world that will have eternal consequences when we wake up to the true reality?

Tell me what you all think.
I like it. I'll take two.

Seriously, very interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.
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Old 10-02-2009, 11:07 AM
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I'll share with you something that I've been shown in the spirit. Everything we see and everything we do in this world is the image (which are temporary) of spiritual matters which are eternal. We would not know to say "The marriage of the Lamb" or "The Dawning of a Great Light has come upon the Gentiles" if there was nothing of Creation language which speaks of these things. When you fall asleep into your own world, there is a way of life (in spiritual terms) going on around you that you cannot see or hear clearly; except the evidence of it is hidden in plain sight. This is as short and specific as I can say this.
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Old 10-02-2009, 11:25 AM
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Old 10-02-2009, 11:40 AM
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There is nothing false about mortality. But I agree that when death comes upon us and we are awake again to eternity, that we'll likely view what we did on earth in a very different light.
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Old 10-02-2009, 12:18 PM
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The Spiritual world should be more "home" to us as we draw closer to God, and at times it can seem more real than the world about us. And it "should" be the place we would rather be. But regardless of whether the world is real or a dream to test us. This life is DEFINATELY a test, with consequenses for the rest of eternity, so regardless I would think that we need to interact with THIS world to be able to complete the test. And interact with it as scripture and the Spirit leads. If we become so heavenly minded that we are no earthly good, we have failed half the test (Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your soul, and all your mind = 50%
and Love your neighbor as yourself = 50%, and I dont see them as equal yet for the sake of this testing I believe they are, and in nearly all schools a 50% score on a test is failing). These are my thoughts on the matter.
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Old 10-02-2009, 12:22 PM
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I wanted to run my thoughts by you guys and gals. Tell me your thoughts:

Something clicked while I was praying in the spirit one day. Every time I pray in the spirit I see the world as not being solid and entirely real. The only thing that is real at that time is my spirit, the Spirit of God, and spiritual things in general. The world seemed to be a sea of dreams where nothing is real. Everything was moving in very slow waves that I can see only when I am focusing on my spirit for purposes of edification.

The problem is that the brain and everything in it is a part of this sea of dreams. The emotions, the memories, and the senses themselves are parts of the physical brain. Can we be nothing more than spiritual creachers dreaming a world that will have eternal consequences when we wake up to the true reality?

Tell me what you all think.
Very good question and serious observation. And very dangerous theology behind the hyper-spiritualization of Christianity. I believe Christianity to be the opposite: a complete and stubborn alignment with reality. God loves matter! That is why the faith is sacramental, God uses the tangible and even imperfect to communicate his will and his grace.

Christians must reject the siren songs of dualism, of the radical separation of matter and spirit. We rare not spirits occupying a body as if the body is a box or a receptacle. We are body and soul unified wholes. There have been heresies with dualistic tendencies such as Marcionism and other gnostics and the Albigensians and Waldensians. Beware of such theology my brother!!!

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Old 10-02-2009, 12:45 PM
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.....God loves matter! That is why the faith is sacramental.....
100% correct !!!
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Old 10-02-2009, 01:08 PM
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Very good question and serious observation. And very dangerous theology behind the hyper-spiritualization of Christianity. I believe Christianity to be the opposite: a complete and stubborn alignment with reality. God loves matter! That is why the faith is sacramental, God uses the tangible and even imperfect to communicate his will and his grace.

Christians must reject the siren songs of dualism, of the radical separation of matter and spirit. We rare not spirits occupying a body as if the body is a box or a receptacle. We are body and soul unified wholes. There have been heresies with dualistic tendencies such as Marcionism and other gnostics and the Albigensians and Waldensians. Beware of such theology my brother!!!
Very sound answer.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:52 AM
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There is nothing false about mortality. But I agree that when death comes upon us and we are awake again to eternity, that we'll likely view what we did on earth in a very different light.
Reality is indeed real. But, reality is itself a blanket covering our eyes which are themselves parts of the blanket. The thing covered and trapped by this blanket of reality is our spirits.

We sense and experience what we see as reality in the same way the characters in the movie "The Matrix" did. What we see as real is itself a part of the physical dream; which is itself real in the sense that we are trapped in it.
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