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Old 08-01-2009, 01:54 PM
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We see in scripture that god does things ''for His name's sake''. God delights to have his name known. The first part of the Lord's prayer is ''Our father which art in heaven HALLOWED be thy name''.

Fame would mean well-known name. So why is god so admamant to be famous? God's commitment to his name produce commitment to his people.

''For the Lord will not cast away his people, for his great name's sake, because it has pleased the Lord to make you a people for himself'' Samuel 2:22

The glory of god goes pretty much unnoticed in this world today, unless thorugh his people (not talking about the natural creation) his reputation, fame and renown is made known. Christianity is the brand of god.

Now I'm pretty sure people will think that god was not to smart to choose them chirstians, or them isrealites they are not doing a good job at not profaning the name of god. And therein lies the paradox, that god chooses the most unlikely people,not wise, not of noble birth, the nobodies basically to make a name for himself.

We see in the OT, that god chose the isrealites precisely for this reason. To make a name for himself. But alas it seemed to have backfired:

Jeremiah 13:11 For as the waistcloth clings to the loins of a man, so I made the whole house of israel and the whole house of judah cling to me, says the lord, that they might be for me a people, a name, a praise, and a glory, BUT THEY WOULD NOT LISTEN.

Sooooooo, is god not thinking straight? Well god doesnt exclusively have to use the chosen and called and elect to make a name for himself. Look at Pharaoh, bless him.

In romans 9:17 we read ''But for this purpose I have caused you to stand to show you my power, so that my name may be declared throughout all the earth''

And did it work? Look at what rahab the harlot says: ''We have heard how the Lord dried up the water of the red sea before you when you came out of egypt...the lord your god is he who is god in heaven above and on earth beneath''

Joshua knew that god does everything for his name sake and he used that reasoning with god when he said:

''O Lord, what can I say, when israel has turned their backs before their enemies! For the canaanites and all the inhabitants of the land will hear of it, and will surround us, and cut off our name from the earth; and WHAT WILL YOU DO FOR YOUR GREAT NAME?''

LOL...he uses gods own desire to have a name to ask for help in time of trouble.

Anyway we know that the isrealites eventually went into captivity, into babylon. So did god give up on his desire to make a name for himself through his people. Here his people are in captivity. The other people must have wondered what kind of god these jews have that cant even save them from exile!

But god had not given up on making a name for himself. He says in Ezekiel 36:

''Thus says the lord your god, it is not for your sake, o house of israel,that i am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned amongst the nations to which you came. And I WILL vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among them''

And then....comes jesus. Who said: ''I have made your name known''. He said just before he was crucified ''Now is my soul troubled. And what shall I say? Father save me from this hour?. No for this purpose I have come to this hour. Father, glorify you name!''

Jesus was perfect to vindicate the name of god that the isrealites had profaned. And he did that.

So did god learn his lesson? Jesus came to make a name for god again, but then god chose the gentiles and appointed them for salvation, and so....here we go again. Christians profaning the name of god!

Its a good thing god is patient!

This time around god did not choose a nation like isreal, which he basically had to birth into existance. He chose another kind of people, those who he would give rebirth. Born of god. Born again. This group of people are hidden in his son. And since his son glorified his father, so would all those who are placed in his son. What kind of people did god choose to make a name for himself. The lowly nobodies of this world.

And so we see that the gentiles are now gods chosen instrument to make a name for himself. This time gods name will be made famous not by people who are not transformed from the inside out, but those who are. First clean the inside of the cup, that the outside might be clean.

Now i know that there are many christians who profess to be christians, but it really is only the people who have been put IN christ who has the transforming power of god in them, to make a name for god. We are the reflection of gods glory on this earth, and since he is committed to his name , he is absolutely committed to his children. Those who have been chosen to conform into the image of his son, who made a name for god, will be successfully transformed from one degree to antother, to show forth gods glory in greater degree and make a name for him. God will not fail in this regard.

Why? Because he does all that he does for his name's sake.

And what about the jews, have they been utterly disposed of for making a name for god? No god will graft them back into jesus, and they too will bring honour to his name.

And what about the rest............ well, pharoah made a name for god. It seems like god is going to make a name for himself any which way you look at it!

His glory shall be known ALL over the earth. God does everything he does for HIS name sake. Even destroying the works of the devil is for his name sake. And god is committed to his children, for his name sake.

Heneni
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Old 08-01-2009, 10:30 PM
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Heneni, for his name sake just means for the body of christ . People can't even tell you the name of God. All names in the bible are only a part of God. Everything he does is for the good of mankind and his people are the ones that follow his teachings. God does not promote himself, he promotes rightousness and his glory is in our salvation. God is perfect and wanting to be famous is vanity. There is no such thing with God.
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Old 08-01-2009, 11:25 PM
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She doesn't really mean famous as in Hollywood famous...what she means is...Does God want glory? Certainly God is not vain in man's sense of vanity...but he is deserving and does desire his deserved Glory.
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Old 08-02-2009, 05:09 AM
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Yeh god desires to have his glory known in this world. He wants to be famous in other words have a well known name.

More example of this:

Isaiah 66:19
"I will set a sign among them, and I will send some of those who survive to the nations--to Tarshish, to the Libyans and Lydians (famous as archers), to Tubal and Greece, and to the distant islands that have not heard of my fame or seen my glory. They will proclaim my glory among the nations''

Isaiah 64: 1-2
'' Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down,
that the mountains would tremble before you!
As when fire sets twigs ablaze
and causes water to boil''
come down to make your name known to your enemies
and cause the nations to quake before you!


(Which reminds me, God will certainly make a name for himself at his return as well)

Isaiah 12:4
Give thanks to the LORD, call on his name;
make known among the nations what he has done,
and proclaim that his name is exalted.
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Old 08-02-2009, 10:48 AM
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Heneni, for his name sake just means for the body of christ . People can't even tell you the name of God. All names in the bible are only a part of God. Everything he does is for the good of mankind and his people are the ones that follow his teachings. God does not promote himself, he promotes rightousness and his glory is in our salvation. God is perfect and wanting to be famous is vanity. There is no such thing with God.
Amen to this Colin.
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Old 08-02-2009, 10:52 AM
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She doesn't really mean famous as in Hollywood famous...what she means is...Does God want glory? Certainly God is not vain in man's sense of vanity...but he is deserving and does desire his deserved Glory.
But God is and has Glory by who He is - His Glory is part of Him it is not something we cause or have any part of. He doesn't want man to just worship Him as some promote. This is attributing human ego to God and He is most humble as He requires us to be Christ-like and being humble is part of that. Does Christ desire us to see His Glory without it destroying us? Yes that is a desire of His but that isn't the result of an ego trip on His part - He has no "ego" and we are to curcify ours daily to be like Him. He just wants and desires us to be able to understand and see Him for everything He is - in total - which we are not capable of at this time.

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Old 08-02-2009, 11:12 AM
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If we worship him in Spirit and in truth there is no human ego involved and if we don't praise him the rocks will cry out....
The Holy Spirit Himself glorifies Christ in the believer and in this God is glorified...so does your life glorify God and do you have a part in whether it does?

There is obviously no hint or shadow of human ago in the messages here...the only point was God's Glory, which has nothing to do with the flesh...yet the Spirit in man if it's is of him...he does desire us to praise (glorify) him..and not as a mortal man who has human pride but as God whose precious great joy is hsared with us when we glorify (exalt, or praise) him, amen.
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:35 PM
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If we were to view "fame" as the world views fame there is a negative connotation associated with it. The desire for fame in the world equals to vanity, arrogance, a weak and unbalanced self image, the need for external support and validation. I don't think this applies to God. God is supremely confident. His abilities and understanding are "beyond searching out". There is little likely hood we can actually add anything to Him since we are the product of His mind. In God's case I think the desire for recognition is more to show that we are abiding in a right understanding than for His personal gain. When we reflect the truth back to Him it proves we are as we should be. Our approval does not reflect on the truth of God's design, it reveals the state of our perception.

There is however the desire of a father to see himself in his children. Certainly we would like our children to reflect positively upon us. I think God is the same. He wants us to reveal His hidden qualities. We are therefor an expose of God's hidden attributes and character. In this we reveal His "glory". How would we feel if our son or daughter was an unrepentant, ireresponsable little drunken, lying fornicator? In a right thinking mind that would seem undesirable. But if our son or daughter was hard working, responsable, honest and willing to share we would probably feel better about it. If events came to pass where our child gave their life to save another or endured in their responsibility unto death we would grieve for their loss but we would also be relieved in that they died a good death. They will have brought glory upon themselves and the family.
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:59 PM
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Thank You CK for that more rightly divided interpretation.
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Old 08-02-2009, 03:37 PM
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If we worship him in Spirit and in truth there is no human ego involved and if we don't praise him the rocks will cry out....
The Holy Spirit Himself glorifies Christ in the believer and in this God is glorified...so does your life glorify God and do you have a part in whether it does?

There is obviously no hint or shadow of human ago in the messages here...the only point was God's Glory, which has nothing to do with the flesh...yet the Spirit in man if it's is of him...he does desire us to praise (glorify) him..and not as a mortal man who has human pride but as God whose precious great joy is hsared with us when we glorify (exalt, or praise) him, amen.
I don't see our praise as glorifying Him as much as it is worship of Him - I view His glory as part of who He is and not attributed to us or our actions at all....
Guess it is just in the way we define words

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