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Old 07-02-2009, 07:32 PM
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Hi to all , and again we have a most mis-understood Greek word .

1) The word EKKLESIA ??????

2) It seem that when people see the word Baptism , all they see is Water and every time some one sees the word Church , they think of the Gospels !!!

3) When you all , look up the word in W,E.Vines Greek Dictionary , I find out that it means ;
#1 , Assembly
#2, Congregation

4) SO what does the word Church come from ? and what does it mean ????

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Old 07-02-2009, 07:48 PM
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Hi to all , and again we have a most mis-understood Greek word .

1) The word EKKLESIA ??????

2) It seem that when people see the word Baptism , all they see is Water and every time some one sees the word Church , they think of the Gospels !!!

3) When you all , look up the word in W,E.Vines Greek Dictionary , I find out that it means ;
#1 , Assembly
#2, Congregation

4) SO what does the word Church come from ? and what does it mean ????
The English word "Church," although it it used to translate "Ekklesia" derives from the German word Kirche, which comes from the Greek Kyriakos--that which belongs to the Lord, because the Lord called it "my Church." Nonetheless, it is today de facto used to translate ekklesia.
In ancient Greece ekklesia was a gathering of citizenship of a city-state or kingdom. As citizens, they belonged to the ekklesia, and attended the synaxes or assemblies of the ekklesia. Likewise we see this in the OT Septuagint of Israel being "ekklesia."
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Old 07-02-2009, 07:53 PM
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I believe cronologically the first time Jesus used the word church he was referring to the assembly of jews when he was teaching forgiveness in mathew chapter 17.
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I believe cronologically the first time Jesus used the word church he was referring to the assembly of jews when he was teaching forgiveness in mathew chapter 17.
No, its Matthew 16.18 where He states that He will build His Church.
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Old 07-03-2009, 02:50 AM
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Hi to all , and again we have a most mis-understood Greek word .

1) The word EKKLESIA ??????

2) It seem that when people see the word Baptism , all they see is Water and every time some one sees the word Church , they think of the Gospels !!!

3) When you all , look up the word in W,E.Vines Greek Dictionary , I find out that it means ;
#1 , Assembly
#2, Congregation

4) SO what does the word Church come from ? and what does it mean ????


I think the Catechism Of The Catholic Church deals with the Greek rather well. It states:



I. NAMES AND IMAGES OF THE CHURCH

751 The word "Church" (Latin ecclesia, from the Greek ek-ka-lein, to "call out of") means a convocation or an assembly. It designates the assemblies of the people, usually for a religious purpose.139 Ekklesia is used frequently in the Greek Old Testament for the assembly of the Chosen People before God, above all for their assembly on Mount Sinai where Israel received the Law and was established by God as his holy people.140 By calling itself "Church," the first community of Christian believers recognized itself as heir to that assembly. In the Church, God is "calling together" his people from all the ends of the earth. The equivalent Greek term Kyriake, from which the English word Church and the German Kirche are derived, means "what belongs to the Lord."

752 In Christian usage, the word "church" designates the liturgical assembly,141 but also the local community142 or the whole universal community of believers.143 These three meanings are inseparable. "The Church" is the People that God gathers in the whole world. She exists in local communities and is made real as a liturgical, above all a Eucharistic, assembly. She draws her life from the word and the Body of Christ and so herself becomes Christ's Body.

Symbols of the Church

753 In Scripture, we find a host of interrelated images and figures through which Revelation speaks of the inexhaustible mystery of the Church. The images taken from the Old Testament are variations on a profound theme: the People of God. In the New Testament, all these images find a new center because Christ has become the head of this people, which henceforth is his Body.144 Around this center are grouped images taken "from the life of the shepherd or from cultivation of the land, from the art of building or from family life and marriage."145

754 "The Church is, accordingly, a sheepfold, the sole and necessary gateway to which is Christ. It is also the flock of which God himself foretold that he would be the shepherd, and whose sheep, even though governed by human shepherds, are unfailingly nourished and led by Christ himself, the Good Shepherd and Prince of Shepherds, who gave his life for his sheep.146

755 "The Church is a cultivated field, the tillage of God. On that land the ancient olive tree grows whose holy roots were the prophets and in which the reconciliation of Jews and Gentiles has been brought about and will be brought about again. That land, like a choice vineyard, has been planted by the heavenly cultivator. Yet the true vine is Christ who gives life and fruitfulness to the branches, that is, to us, who through the Church remain in Christ, without whom we can do nothing.147

756 "Often, too, the Church is called the building of God. The Lord compared himself to the stone which the builders rejected, but which was made into the corner-stone. On this foundation the Church is built by the apostles and from it the Church receives solidity and unity. This edifice has many names to describe it: the house of God in which his family dwells; the household of God in the Spirit; the dwelling-place of God among men; and, especially, the holy temple. This temple, symbolized in places of worship built out of stone, is praised by the Fathers and, not without reason, is compared in the liturgy to the Holy City, the New Jerusalem. As living stones we here on earth are built into it. It is this holy city that is seen by John as it comes down out of heaven from God when the world is made anew, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.148

757 "The Church, further, which is called 'that Jerusalem which is above' and 'our mother', is described as the spotless spouse of the spotless lamb. It is she whom Christ 'loved and for whom he delivered himself up that he might sanctify her.' It is she whom he unites to himself by an unbreakable alliance, and whom he constantly 'nourishes and cherishes.'"149

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139 Cf. Acts 19:39.
140 Cf. Ex 19.
141 Cf. 1 Cor 11:18; 14:19,28,34,35.
142 Cf. 1 Cor 1:2; 16:1.
143 Cf. 1 Cor 15:9; Gal 1:13; Phil 3:6.
144 Cf. Eph 1:22; Col 1:18; LG 9.
145 LG 6.
146 LG 6; cf. Jn 10:1-10; Isa 40:11; Ezek 34:11-31; Jn 10:11; 1 Pet 5:4; Jn 10:11-16.
147 LG 6; cf. 1 Cor 39; Rom 11:13-26; Mt 21:32-43 and parallels; Isa 51-7; Jn 15:1-5.
148 LG 6; Cf. 1 Cor 3:9; Mt 21:42 and parallels; Acts 4:11; 1 Pet 2:7; Ps 118:22; 1 Cor 3:11; 1 Tim 3:15; Eph 2:19-22; Rev 21:3; 1 Pet 2:5; Rev 21:1-2.
149 LG 6; Cf. Gal 4:26; Rev 12:17; 19:7; 21:2,9; 22:17; Eph 5:25-26,29.


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Old 07-03-2009, 06:22 AM
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Thats interesting terry, no reference to the church being the bride of christ?
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Thats interesting terry, no reference to the church being the bride of christ?
926: "....Thus, the Church can both show forth Christ and acknowledge herself to be the Savior's bride....
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926: "....Thus, the Church can both show forth Christ and acknowledge herself to be the Savior's bride....

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Old 07-03-2009, 10:22 AM
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No, its Matthew 16.18 where He states that He will build His Church.
Yes I should not have missed that..I just read it the other day. thank you brother for the correction
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Old 07-03-2009, 10:49 AM
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The article is good, but the translation as "assembly" can be misleading. The Greek word synaxis means assembly, ekklesia indicates a body of citizenry. The assembly (synaxis) is what the ekklesia does. The word ekklesia is from ek (from) and klesis (calling or vocation). The root of klesis is kaleo, but that is an extra step in word derivation. Klesis is generally translated either calling or vocation:

Romans 11:29: "the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."
1 Corinthians 1:26: "For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many"
1 Corinthians 7:20: "Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called."
Ephesians 1:18: "the hope of his calling, and what the riches"
Ephesians 4:1: "that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,"
Ephesians 4:4: "one hope of your calling;"
Philippians 3:14: "prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."
2 Thessalonians 1:11: "that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill"
2 Timothy 1:9: "and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works,"
Hebrews 3:1: "brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and"
2 Peter 1:10: "give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for"

Thus, ekklesia is literally a body "of the called" or "of the calling" or "of the vocation." Again, its meaning in the ancient world, both in pagan and also in hellenized judaic context, was the body of citizens--those "of the calling" to be citizens within a given kingdom or city-state, and in Israel's case, the Kingdom of Israel and later Judah. For Christians, it is those of the calling to be citizens of the Kingdom of God, which is why directly after announcing He will build his Church, He immediately mentions the Kingdom of Heaven and that He will give it keys to Peter, and the binding and loosing on earth and in heaven, which is mentioned again in Matt. 18.
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