[colin]

All sacraments are of the antichrist and make our worship of the lord null and viod. It's not just the catholics with their sacraments, its all the churchs now. The baptising in water voids the true baptism. Laying hands on people, saying they are healed ,passing a peace of bread to someone and saying body of christ. It's all from the antichrist. Anything not of grace and truth is antichrist.The eturnal kingdom is set up on the teachings of Christ. These sacraments mark people with the mark of the beast. Even the teachings of hell come from hell. People going to church and singing songs and calling it praise and worship, that too is scarament. People wearing great robes in white and purple, that two is scrament.The kingdom of David is built up on Spiritual understanding of eturnal teachings of God. When the world looses these teachings, all is scarament and Jeruslem falls and the father dies and the son apears and the old temple burns from the teachings of God and a new Jeruslem is set up. Sacraments are vanity,Even the phisical curcumsision of the jews is a sacrament.When people do sacraments they show God they are against him and not with him.
Well, the best thing about sacraments is that it is not posible to do them here at this sight and our praise and worship is real. We praise the lord and give him Glory everytime we overcome the earthly understanding of his word.

You are calling many things that are Holy to God satanic. There are places we can walk that are spiritually dangerous. God has not given one person new truths that make null and void the truths delivered to the first Church but moreso it is a dangerous thing to add to or take from this Word of God's. It was God, not satan who established the law of circumcision, for just but 1 example. Anyone can say..if I am persecuted then it proves I am God's chosen, and many do say that, but there is a difference between being persecuted for true righteousnes and for perverting the Word of God. No man is the light of the world, Jesus is, and at any time that we even begin to think that God has made us the new light of the world, we plunge ourselves into the darkness we accuse all others of.

Originally Posted by preachergirl

You are calling many things that are Holy to God satanic. There are places we can walk that are spiritually dangerous. God has not given one person new truths that make null and void the truths delivered to the first Church but moreso it is a dangerous thing to add to or take from this Word of God's. It was God, not satan who established the law of circumcision, for just but 1 example. Anyone can say..if I am persecuted then it proves I am God's chosen, and many do say that, but there is a difference between being persecuted for true righteousnes and for perverting the Word of God. No man is the light of the world, Jesus is, and at any time that we even begin to think that God has made us the new light of the world, we plunge ourselves into the darkness we accuse all others of.

Greetings Kimberly,

I'll let Colin speak for himself, but my definition of the word 'anti-christ' is doing anything that runs contrary to the teachings of one called Jesus of Nazareth. What Colin would call the 'work of the beast' to me are nothing more than 'traditons of man'. They are neither of God or of the devil. But I still see them as being anti-christ. I have yet to find where Jesus says that certain people are to get all dolled up like a pharisee and use their manmade religion as a means of ruling over other people and their wallets. All the religious rituals of the christian religion are borrowed from other pre-existing religions, some dating back nearly to the days of the caveman. One thing I would exclude from Colins list that he puts a taboo on are singing and praising, these are things even his 'David' was known to do. Granted, they may have originated in praising some other god. And that is the case of all the religious rituals. Starting with Paul of Tarsus, the early church had their sales pitch: "Keep doing what you have been doing, just change the name of your god and come to my church and do it." And thus it became 'paganized' with those things some would call 'sacraments'. If you choose to do them as a part of your life when you go into a building on a street corner I for one would never hold it against you. Just be careful you never become enslaved by them to where they become a 'way of life'.

P.S. I always turn to the the so-called 'gospels', the words of thee Word Himself to help me determine what is 'of God' that originated in Heaven, and what is 'of man' that originated here on earth. And since thee one true God is 'without the shadow of change', then that tells me that the things we are no longer required to do (ex.: circumsision) were of man and people were never required by 'God' to do them in the first place. For what it is worth, I strongly recommend circumsision for hygenic reasons, even though it is no longer a necessary religious ritual used to sacrifice/consecrate a child to some tribal 'god'.

P.S.S. There is another thread about 'the dangers of the internet'. About people who use the internet to try and establish their own little cult. Mentions one method such control freaks use is stating that "Yahweh told me to tell you that you had to do such and such." That has been going on looooong before the internet was around. I'll just go by what Jesus of Nazareth says to do and call it good. Blessings upon you.

[colin]

Originally Posted by preachergirl

You are calling many things that are Holy to God satanic. There are places we can walk that are spiritually dangerous. God has not given one person new truths that make null and void the truths delivered to the first Church but moreso it is a dangerous thing to add to or take from this Word of God's. It was God, not satan who established the law of circumcision, for just but 1 example. Anyone can say..if I am persecuted then it proves I am God's chosen, and many do say that, but there is a difference between being persecuted for true righteousnes and for perverting the Word of God. No man is the light of the world, Jesus is, and at any time that we even begin to think that God has made us the new light of the world, we plunge ourselves into the darkness we accuse all others of.

What are you talking about. Come to God with a new heart,your heart is the sume of things you believe. Remove the flesh of the scriptures is your covemant with God. The adding or taking away from the scriptures means a person adds the understanding of man or takes away the understanding of God. The danger comes from being the surity for people and not delivering them to the lord.

[colin]

[quote=Josif59;42913]Greetings Kimberly,

I'll let Colin speak for himself, but my definition of the word 'anti-christ' is doing anything that runs contrary to the teachings of one called Jesus of Nazareth. What Colin would call the 'work of the beast' to me are nothing more than 'traditons of man'. They are neither of God or of the devil. But I still see them as being anti-christ. I have yet to find where Jesus says that certain people are to get all dolled up like a pharisee and use their manmade religion as a means of ruling over other people and their wallets. All the religious rituals of the christian religion are borrowed from other pre-existing religions, some dating back nearly to the days of the caveman. One thing I would exclude from Colins list that he puts a taboo on are singing and praising, these are things even his 'David' was known to do. Granted, they may have originated in praising some other god. And that is the case of all the religious rituals. Starting with Paul of Tarsus, the early church had their sales pitch: "Keep doing what you have been doing, just change the name of your god and come to my church and do it." And thus it became 'paganized' with those things some would call 'sacraments'. If you choose to do them as a part of your life when you go into a building on a street corner I for one would never hold it against you. Just be careful you never become enslaved by them to where they become a 'way of life'.

P.S. I always turn to the the so-called 'gospels', the words of thee Word Himself to help me determine what is 'of God' that originated in Heaven, and what is 'of man' that originated here on earth. And since thee one true God is 'without the shadow of change', then that tells me that the things we are no longer required to do (ex.: circumsision) were of man and people were never required by 'God' to do them in the first place. For what it is worth, I strongly recommend circumsision for hygenic reasons, even though it is no longer a necessary religious ritual used to sacrifice/consecrate a child to some tribal 'god'.

P.S.S. There is another thread about 'the dangers of the internet'. About people who use the internet to try and establish their own little cult. Mentions one method such control freaks use is stating that "Yahweh told me to tell you that you had to do such and such." That has been going on looooong before the internet was around. I'll just go by what Jesus of Nazareth says to do and call it good. Blessings upon you. [/QUOTE

Do you think I'm trying to estiblish a cult for speaking truth? I never want anyone to follow me. I want to show the truth so people can follow God. Some times it is better to rebuke people then let them go their own way in sin.

Greetings Colin,

Perhaps I should have added the P.S.S. to the P.S. Was thinking of the Hebrew religious leaders and circumsision as an example as to how looong people have been going around saying: "Yahweh said that you are supposed to....." Was a statement meant for Kimberly, had nothing to do with you.

Originally Posted by colin

All sacraments are of the antichrist and make our worship of the lord null and viod........

Dude, when you make outrageous claims like that no one will take you seriously.

You error is that you focus only on the spiritual aspect of the Bible and discount the historical physical aspect. The sacraments work because God works through them

"I will make you exceedingly fertile, and make nations of you, and kings shall come forth from you. . . . I assign the land you sojourn in to you and your offspring to come, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting holding. I will be their God. . . . Such shall be the covenant between Me and you and your offspring to follow which you shall keep: every male among you shall be "circumcised." (Genesis 17:6,8,10)

It's not removing the flesh from our eyes that we are talking about here...It's not a "new" revelation to me or anyone here that the flesh or "will of man" can get in between us and the Word. But sometimes people "call" their own self willed words or messages spiritual when they are really coming from this same self will that they are preaching against.

We are aware that the renting of the veil fullfilled the "Law" and that now we can enter the Holy of Holies...and don't need things like circumcision to do it...but it was a practice that God did ordain for his purposes at the time, and I don't see bashing things that "did" have significant spiritual meaning...since God who is a spirit established them...so while you are quick to judge the things of God...I would not judge "his things" as worthless fleshy services.

We are aware that there is a newness of spirit...in Christ today, but this doesn't mean we despise even the symbolics that God himself has through time used for his purposes. I mean you wouldn't bash the ark of the covenant would you? It also has been a material item...

Here is the general idea behind a sacrament:

God has always worked through men and things: Always. Men were prophets and men wrote the scriptures, with God working through them.

Here is a good example of the sacramental principle. When Moses raised his staff over the waters and split the Red Sea, who really parted the waters, God or Moses? It was God of course. BUT: The visible sign that the people could see was Moses raising his staff. God provided the people with a visible sign.

Basically, that is the sacramental principle: A visible sign which God works through. God has always done it, and to claim that this is somehow from the antichrist is insulting, outrageous, and anti-Biblical.

So today it is the same. Take Baptism: The visible sign we see is the water being pourded over the person, and what we do not see is the miracle of God washing away that person's sins. This is the sacramental principle.

An interesting example of this principle is Jesus rubbing mud in the blind man's eyes. What was it that cured the man's blindness, the mud, or Jesus? Jesus did of course. So why did he bother with the mud? Because God always works through men and things.

Good examples. Yes, even though water baptism is a physical act, it serves a spiritual purpose just as earthly buildings do...these things are not to be worshipped or to be despised, but just accepted for what they are.