[ElpidioLGagolinan]

To Mr. Rodger Tutt,

Seems like you can not accept a ruling God. You focused on the eternal torment that God rejecting angels and grace rejecting souls are about to experience. While you minimize or ignore the free gift of salvation that is available through faith in Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.

If one rejects God in this earth, do you want God to plead with the rejector in the afterlife ?

It is just like taking exams, the answers are in the Bible. The test is open book. Man consistently rejects the right answer and give the answer that they know are wrong. And then expects to get 100% or "A" grade.

The free gift of salvation is so simple that a child can understand but for those who refused even eternity will not be enough.

Please read the book of Revelation , where it states that Satan and his angels and unbelievers refused to repent.

I will end here and not respond to you anymore on this topic.

elpidio

Originally Posted by ElpidioLGagolinan

To Mr. Rodger Tutt,

Seems like you can not accept a ruling God. You focused on the eternal torment that God rejecting angels and grace rejecting souls are about to experience. While you minimize or ignore the free gift of salvation that is available through faith in Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.

If one rejects God in this earth, do you want God to plead with the rejector in the afterlife ?

It is just like taking exams, the answers are in the Bible. The test is open book. Man consistently rejects the right answer and give the answer that they know are wrong. And then expects to get 100% or "A" grade.

The free gift of salvation is so simple that a child can understand but for those who refused even eternity will not be enough.

Please read the book of Revelation , where it states that Satan and his angels and unbelievers refused to repent.

I will end here and not respond to you anymore on this topic.

elpidio

Salvation out of the lake of fire which is the 2nd death

The Lake of Fire: The Prodigal Son; God Gains Attention;The Lake Of Fire;The Second Death;Not Hurt Of The Second Death;Tormented In The Presence Of The Lamb

Although the book of Revelation is the last book placed in the Bible, it is not the final revelation of what God is going to do with His fallen creatures. The apostle Paul saw way beyond John.

Reconciliation in the Heavens

Col.1:25 of which I became a dispenser, in accord with the administration of God, which is granted to me for you, to complete the word of God

There is much evidence that Paul did see way beyond John. For instance, in Revelation there are still kings reigning, and Christ is still reigning along with His followers. There are still sovereignties and powers in force throughout the book of revelation. So John did not see the day when all sovereignty, authority and power would be done away. Paul did. If you will look at 1Corinthians 15:24-28 Paul saw the day when all of these would be done away. He sees the day when "He should be nullifying all sovereignty, authority and power" (vs.24)

Paul sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (vs.25).

Paul sees the day when death (all death which includes the second death) will be abolished (vs.26). Please remember that death will be abolished **after** all the sovereignties, authorities and powers in Revelation have been nullified. Within the book of Revelation, death is still operational as are the afore mentioned powers.

So what is going to happen to all these people who are in death when death is abolished?

They will come forth vivified (made alive beyond the reach of death) (1Cor.15:22).

They will have their lives justified and will be constituted righteous:

Romans 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying.
Romans 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just.

All will be reconciled to God (Col.1:20)

All will be headed up in Christ (Eph.1:10)

All will bow the knee in the name of Jesus and acclaim with their tongue that "Jesus Christ is Lord" to the glory of God, the Father (Phil.2:9-11).
And we know that anyone who acclaims that Jesus Christ is Lord, especially when it is to God's glory without any hypocrisy is saved for 1Corinthians 12:3 says so.

So there is proof that people will go to the second death **when ** the new earth comes. And there is proof that this is not the final goal God has for these people.

In summary then:
The lake of fire is the second death.
The apostle John did not see into the future as far as the apostle Paul.
How do I know this? and what ramifications does this have as to whether or not one gets out of the lake of fire...the second death? Plenty.
In the book of revelation Christ is still reigning; death is still operational; sovereignties, authorities and powers are still in force.
In 1Cor.15:22-28 Paul sees way beyond John's revelation.
He sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (1Cor.15:25).
He sees the day when all sovereignties, authorities and powers are nullified (1Cor.15:24).
He sees the day when death is abolished (1Cor.15:26) and all are then subjected to Christ then Christ is subjected to God and then God is All in all (1Cor.15:28).
So, yes, there is scripture which intimates that all in the lake of fire will come forth and God will be All in all.
Also in 1Cor.15:22 all are dying and in Christ shall all be vivified. So this happens after death for most.
Also in Romans 5:18,19 you have what happens to all mankind due to what Adam did which happens to the exact same all mankind due to what Christ did. But it does not happen to all at the exact same time.
Each in his own order.

The Lake of Fire

Reconciliation in the Heavens

Savior of the World Series

Where is a resurrection from the lake of fire which is the second death taught in the scriptures?

The lake of fire is distinctly defined as the second death Rev.20:14; 21:8. In it is cast all that is still at enmity with God. So that, death is indeed the last enemy (1 Cor.15:26).
And we are just as decidedly told that Christ is the one who abolishes death and brings life and incorruptibility to light (2 Tim.1:10). The reading "hath abolished" is not true as to fact or as to grammar. It is in the indefinite form (commonly called the aorist tense) simply recording the fact apart from time. Death has not been abolished yet.
How and when it will be abolished is told us in the fifteenth of first Corinthians. It is to be abolished by means of universal vivification (1 Cor.15:22). This takes place at the consummation (1 Cor.15:26).

It is useless to look for plain statements on this subject in parts of the Scriptures whose scope is limited to eonian truth, such as the Revelation. It is unwise to look for it anywhere but in the special portion which deals with this topic. Death and resurrection are exhaustively treated in the, fifteen chapter of first Corinthians and there it is we should look for clear statements as to the ultimate goal. There we are distinctly told that the last enemy that shall be abolished is death (which must refer to the lake of fire, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). And there we are told that it is to be done by a universal vivification rather than resurrection.

The term "resurrection" is applied to those who have afterward died again, such as those who suffer the second death. Hence there is not a resurrection, merely, from the lake of fire, but a vivification beyond which there can be no death.

What do you suppose the lake that burns with fire and brimstone will do? It will burn off of mankind the stubborn will which is contrary to the Lord’s will. It will take that which the Lord subjected man to, death, and will burn its bonds off. The flames of fire will lick the lashes of cords that have bound men in rebellion and will dispose of those cords as one would burn refuse in a hot scorching fire. It is the rebellious will, maintained by ignorance that is burned. The same standard of burning happens to the Overcomer. They are baptized in the very same fire. The fire that constitutes the lake that burns with fire and brimstone and the fire upon the brow of the Overcomer are the very same kind of fire. In both cases, whether it be the Overcomer or the unrepentant sinner, the cords of ignorance as to the will of the Lord are burned off. Such is the ordination in fire, no one will escape it who needs it.

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Several of you URs might like to be aware of the following if you are not already.

THE WRITINGS OF DOZENS OF TEACHERS OF CHRISTIAN BIBLICAL UNIVERSALISM

GOD’S TRUTH LIBRARY
God's Truth For Today! - Author Index

IN THE GARDEN
In The Garden - Index

TRACING UNIVERSALIST THOUGHT THROUGH CHURCH HISTORY
Well known Christian church leaders who believed and taught Biblical universalism.
Including a separate list of famous people embracing Christian universalism.
Christian Universalism: Universalist Thought Through Church History

A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH A MUSLIM MISSIONARY

A Muslim missionary called me on my ministry phone in response to my newspaper ad “HELL IS NOT ENDLESS.”
(I have sent out many hundreds of packets of literature to people who responded to these ads that I have put in two of Toronto’s largest newspapers since 1981.)

The Muslim missionary said “Unless you convert to Islam you WILL go to hell.”

I said, “That’s what some Christians say if I don’t convert to Christianity.”

He said, “But the difference is that Islam has the truth.”

I said, “That’s what some Christians say about their beliefs.”

He said, “After you die you will learn that the Koran is the word of God and Islam has the truth.”

I said, “I guess I’ll just have to wait until then to find out for sure.”

He said, “But it will be too late for you then.”

I laughed and said, “That’s exactly what some Christians say.”

I don’t think he thought it was funny.

I then expected him to say what a Mormon missionary said to me in Montreal. “At the judgment, as you are being cast into hell, I will point my finger at you and say, ‘I told you so. I gave you a chance but you didn’t take it and now it’s too late’.”

It seems that we are supposed to believe that millions of Muslims, by sheer “accident” of birth, are born into a belief system that teaches their children that even to consider Christianity to be the truth will land them in an eternity of suffering in hell.

I believe that the horrific false doctrine of endless suffering in hell causes more suffering here on earth than any other idea that people believe. That is why it gives me such great pleasure to offer people the urls that contain evidence that the Bible does not support such a concept of God.

Just Google up TENTMAKER and use the search engine at the top of the front page. Type in a key word from any argument or Bible verse and ten articles will appear refuting the idea that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation. Then click to the next page and ten more articles will appear, and so on and so on for many pages. Or click on
Jesus saves all mankind, the truly Good News, Christian universalism--Ultimate Reconcilation--Doctrine of Inclusion--Restitution of all--Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ, Gospel of the Bible

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ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST
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Originally Posted by ElpidioLGagolinan

To Mr. Rodger Tutt,

Seems like you can not accept a ruling God. You focused on the eternal torment that God rejecting angels and grace rejecting souls are about to experience. While you minimize or ignore the free gift of salvation that is available through faith in Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.

If one rejects God in this earth, do you want God to plead with the rejector in the afterlife ?

It is just like taking exams, the answers are in the Bible. The test is open book. Man consistently rejects the right answer and give the answer that they know are wrong. And then expects to get 100% or "A" grade.

The free gift of salvation is so simple that a child can understand but for those who refused even eternity will not be enough.

Please read the book of Revelation , where it states that Satan and his angels and unbelievers refused to repent.

I will end here and not respond to you anymore on this topic. elpidio

THE ALL-IMPORTANT KEY ISSUE

The true meaning of “FOREVER AND EVER” Revelation 14:11

Greek: tormented "for the ages of the ages" a limited period of time referring to the last two ages before God consummates His plan for the ages of time to become All in all 1Cor. 15:28. How do we know that? See further on in this message.

All of these combinations are used in the Bible: aion (singular), aions (plural), aion of the aion (singular/singular), aion of the aions (singular/plural), aions of the aions (plural/plural), and aionian (the adjective).
ALL of them refer to a limited period of time.
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THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

For aionios, or any combination thereof, to mean "eternal" its noun form MUST mean eternal. It doesn’t. It is impossible for the adjective aionios to mean eternal. Aionios is an adjective. Just as the function of "American" (adj.) is to inform us of that which pertains to America (it is never greater than "America") thus also the function of "aionios" (adj) is to inform us of that which pertains to the eon(s). It is never greater than the eons. No aion is eternal. Therefore it is impossible for that which pertains to the eons to be eternal.
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

Therefore there is no good argument against God saving all.
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AIÓN – AIÓNIOS
AIÓN -- AIÓNIOS

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Chapter Eleven
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Matthew 25:46 - “Aionian” or “Eternal”
Matthew 25:46 - “Aionian” or “Eternal”

"THE EONS OF THE EONS" (plural/plural) COMPARED WITH "THE HOLIES OF THE HOLIES" (plural/plural)

There are several analogous expressions in the Scriptures which should show the meaning of the words under discussion. In Ex. 26:33, tou hagiou ton hagion, "in the holy of the holies." This is similar to the "eon of the eons" of Eph. 3:21. In II Kings 8:6 we see, eis ta hagia ton hagion, "for the holies of the holies"-similar to "eons of the eons." The "holy of the holies" and "holies of the holies" refer to the tabernacle. Psalm 44:7 says, ** thronos sou ** theos, eis ton aiona tou aionos, "Thy throne, O God, is for the eon of eon"-similar to Heb. 1:8. Daniel 7:18: "until eon of the eons" and similar to that of Eph. 3:21, where a singular is followed by a plural, "eon of the eons." In these expressions we see the eons corresponding to the holies in the tabernacle.

While there are many different teachings on the types in the Tabernacle of Moses, it should not be too difficult to see that there were at least five divisions: (1) without the camp; (2) in the camp; (3) in the court; (4) in the holy place; and (5) in the holy of holies. These may be likened to the five eons we find in the Scriptures (past eons, present eon, future eons). The last eon is called the "eon of the eons," because it, like the "holy of holies," is the climax of the others. In Hebrews chapter 9, the Greek text of Nestle reads (margin v. 25), eis ta hagia ton hagion, "into the holies of the holies," and (v. 3), hagia hagion, "holies of holies."

Just as the two holy places in the tabernacle are called the holies of holies, so the last two eons are often called the eons of the eons. As the tabernacle illustrated man's approach to God, it corresponds closely with the eonian times, which also brings man to God. The "holy of holies" was a single holy place. The "eon of eons," a single eon. It was the pre-eminence of the "holy of holies," in relation to the other holy places, which caused it to be so designated. So the pre-eminence of the "eon of the eons" lies in its being the fruitage and harvest of previous eons. The same is true of the "holies of the holies" of Heb. 9:25. They may be likened to the "eons of the eons" of Rev. 11:15; 22:5. Luke 1:33 says of Christ's "kingdom there shall be no end." While the kingdom itself will not end, the reign of Christ for the eons of the eons will end when He delivers up the kingdom to the Father (1 Cor. 15:24-26).

According to the Bible any "hell" will be "kolasis aionian" which means age-during corrective chastisement.
Chapter Eleven

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It is limited in duration, and corrective in purpose.
Matthew 25:46 - “Aionian” or “Eternal”

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MY GREEK SCHOLARS – Louis Abbott and the other Greek scholars he quotes in chapters 3 and 12.
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AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS or click on
An Analytical Study of Words

The argument about “eternal hell” nearly always ends with the words, “My Greek scholars are more reliable than your Greek scholars,” and the result is nearly always a stalemate.

If you think it glorifies God more to let some of His creatures suffer forever, then you keep believing that.

But if you think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need which is a change in their stubborn will, then know that there is plenty of evidence in the Bible that that is exactly what God is like.

[CatholicCrusader]

Following are a few verses that show the eternality of the hell and punishment. God uses different phrases to describe the same thing.

• "And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thess. 1:9).
• "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7).
• These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever," (Jude12-13).

Is "forever and ever" without end?

The phrase "forever and ever" is used both of describing God's eternal worth and the duration of eternal damnation. The exact same Greek phrase is used in each of the verses below.

forever and ever

aionas ton aionon
"ages of the ages"

Eternal - without end:

"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen," (1 Tim. 1:17).

". . . To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever" (Rev. 5:13).

Eternal Damnation:

"And a second time they said, "Hallelujah! Her smoke rises up forever and ever" (Rev. 19:3).

"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever," (Rev. 20:10).


The Greek phrase "aionas ton aionon," which is translated "forever and ever," occurs 18 times in the Greek New Testament. In 17 of them, the phrase means without end, extending into infinity. In Rev. 19:3, the phrase is used to describe the destruction of the great ***** of Babylon (Rev. 17:1,4) whose smoke ascends forever and ever. It too is eternal and it signifies the beginning of the eternal judgment that comes upon her.

Also worth examining is Rev. 14:11: "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

The Greek in Rev. 14:11 is only slightly different. In the table above, "forever and ever" is translated from the Greek, "aionas ton aionon," which is literally "ages of the of ages." In Rev. 14:11, the Greek is "aionas aionon" which is literally, "ages of ages." In the latter, the single Greek word "of the" is missing. But it is not necessary and does not change the meaning of the text. Therefore, the scripture teaches the smoke of their torment goes up forever, without end.


Unquenchable Fire

Some believe that the fires of hell are symbolic and/or temporal. But the following verses show that they are not.

Matt. 3:12 says, "And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (See also Luke 3:17.)

Mark 9:43 says, "And if your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire." The word "unquenchable" is "asbestos" in the Greek. According to the enhanced Strong's lexicon, it means "unquenchable, the eternal hell fire to punish the damned."

The following citations are from Greek dictionaries and Lexicons. They show that the word "unquenchable," which is "asbestos" in the Greek, (which occurs only in Matt. 3:12, Luke 3:17, and Mark 9:43) means unquenchable, without end.

• "unquenchable, inextinguishable"
• "not quenched"
• pertaining to a fire that cannot be put out" - "unquenchable."
• "unquenched, unquenchable"
• "that cannot be put out"
• "inextinguishable"

Is hell eternal? Yes it is. Are its fires without end? Yes they are. Is it a pleasant doctrine to discuss? Not really. But, hell is real. This is all the more reason to preach the gospel. Jesus said,

"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8).

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aionion ALWAYS means age-during, NEVER eternal

This link responds to the arguments of the Catholic Crusader.
BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED
Bible Threatenings Explained
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UNQUENCHABLE FIRE

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No two words in the history of man have been so torturing as aion and aionion. No two words in the history of man, mishandled by man, have contributed more to the physical, emotional and spiritual harm of so many, than these. You may think I must be exaggerating. But I am not. It is the mistranslation of these two words that has foisted the false and destructive doctrine of eternal torment upon the church and the world.

Mistranslation of the Greek words "aion" and “aionion” is a master stroke of diabolical genius. No other words erroneously translated, could more effectively pervert man’s image of God and cause such widespread confusion. The following work by Joseph E. Kirk is offered in the hope that the serious seeker after scriptural truth will be aided in their quest.
CHART OF GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

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AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
An Analytical Study of Words

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TIME AND ETERNITY A BIBLICAL STUDY
TIME AND ETERNITY: A Biblical Study

THE TEACHING OF THE SCRIPTURES about the eons provides answers to frustrating questions concerning the meaning of human existence. God’s purpose in creating man, and God’s purpose of the eons are inseparably related. Many are unfamiliar with this important subject because the facts have been concealed by incorrect and misleading translations of the Bible from the original languages into English.

The eons are the longest periods of time referred to in the Scriptures. Time-wise they are of indefinite duration, but event-wise they are distinctly marked off by great cataclysms which affect the whole earth.

FACTS REVEALED CONCERNING THE EONS
• THE EONS HAVE A BEGINNING
Literal Translation versus the King James Version
Heb.1:2 God made the eons / God made the worlds
I Cor. 2:7 before the eons / before the world
2Tim.1:9 before eonian times / before the world began

• THE EONS END, INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY
Heb. 9:26 the end of the eons / the end of the world
1 Cor. 10:11 the ends of the eons / the ends of the world
Matt. 24:3 the end of the eon / the end of the world

• HOW MANY EONS ARE THERE?
Col.1:26 hid from eons (Past) / hid from ages
Lu. 20:34 this eon (Present) / this world
Eph. 2:7 eons to come (Future) / ages to come
A minimum of five eons indicated

• THE PURPOSE OF THE EONS
• Eph.3:8-11 purpose of the eons / eternal purpose
Eph. 1:9-1l; PhiI.2:9-l1; Col.1:l5-21; I Cor. 15:20-28
The words "eon" and "eonian" occur 199 times in the New Testament. They are translated as Follows in the King James Version:
aiön or eon aionios eonian
Ages 2 Never 7 Everlasting 25 Course 1 Evermore 4 Eternal 42 World 40 Eternal 2 Ever 72 Ever 1

The fact that the same word translated "for ever," "everlasting, and eternal’’ is also translated "world’’ is a shocking surprise to many believers. Had God meant "world’ in these places He would have used the Greek word "kosmos" which means world. In the best literal translations the words "aion" and "aionios" are consistently rendered "age" and "age-abiding’ or transliterated "eon" and "eonian." See Rotherham’s Emphasized Version; Young’s Literal Translation; or The Concordant Literal New Testament.
God made the eons (Heb. 1:2) and fitted them out (Heb.11:3) for the accomplishing of His purpose (Eph 3:8-11; 1:9-11). During the eonian times, sin, suffering and death enter God’s creation, serve their purpose and are abolished by Jesus Christ (I Tim. 4:9-11; Col. 1:20; I Cor. 15:22-28; Rom. 5:18,19; Phil. 2:911; John 12:32, 83; 1 John 3:8).

The existence of God is not confined to the eons. He made the eons; therefore, He existed before they began. At the conclusion of the eons Jesus Christ will do away with sin (Heb. 9:26) and will abolish death (I Cor. 15:22-26). All will then be subjected to God and God will be All in All (I Cor. 15:27, 28). Therefore, God continues to exist after the eons have ended. The statement "from everlasting to everlasting thou art God’’ (Psa. 90:2), is literally ‘‘from age to age thou art God." This does not limit God’s existence to the eons any more than the statement, "I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob’ (Ex. 3:6), excludes Him from being the God of others also. The same is true of the reference to Him as ‘the eonian God" (Rom. 16:25,26). During the present wicked eon (Gal. 1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be "the god of this eon" (2 Cor. 4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (I Cor. 15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom. 8:18.23).

Neither is it true that if the eons end, the life or believers in Christ must end. Believers do receive eonian life. But if this is all that God promised, there would be no assurance of life beyond the eons. However, at the end of the eons God abolishes death from His universe (I Cor. 15:26). This is accomplished by imparting the resurrection life of Christ to all who have not previously received it. Eonan life assures one or life up to that point. Beyond that, death is impossible. Furthermore believers are made immortal when the Lord returns (I Cor. 15:50-57). When one has been made immortal, death is impossible.

In the Greek Scriptures endlessness is never expressed in terms of eons or of that which is eonian. The Scriptures never speak of ‘the endless eons of eternity." Endlessness is expressed by the use of negatives: "not," "no not," "un" "less." For example: "Of His kingdom there shall be no end" ouk estai telos (Luke 1:33); "endless life" akatalutou (Heb. 7:16); endless genealogies" aperantois (I Tim- 1:4); "nevermore" ou me eti (Rev. 18:21-23),

COMPLETE CONCORDANCE
The Noun "Aion" and its Adjective "Aionios"
Transliterated, Eon and Eonian
True renderings in bold face: King James Version in ( )

EON IN THE SINGULAR
1. The present eon -- Ga]. 1:4; I Tim. 6:17: 2 Tlm.4;10; Tit. 2:12 (world).
2. This eon -- Matt. 12: 32; 13:22; Mt 4:19; Lu. 16:8; 20: 34; Rom, 12:2; I Cor. 1:20; 2:6, 6, 8; 3:18; 2 Cor. 4:4; Eph. 1:21; 6:12 (world).
3. The eon of this world -- Eph. 2:2 (course of this world).
4. For the eon -- Matt. 21:19; Mk. 11:14; Lu. 1:55; Jn. 6:51,58; 8:35; 12:34; 14:16; 2 Cor. 9:9; Heb. 5:6; 6:20; 7:17, 21; I Pet. 1:23,25; 2 Pet. 2:17; I Jn. 2:17; 2 Jn 2; Jude 13 (forever); Heb. 7:24 (ever); 7:28 (forevermore); I Cor. 8:13 (while the world standeth).
5. Not for the eon -- Mk. 3:29; Jul. 4:14; 8:51, 52; 10:28; 11: 26; 13:8 (never).
6. Before all the eon — Jude 25a (K. J. omits) R.V. "before all time."
7. From the eon -- Lu. 1:70; Acts 8:11 (since the world began);
Acts 15:18 (from the beginning of the world; Out of the eon -- Jn. 9:32 (since the world began).
8. The conclusion of the eon — Matt. 13:39. 40, 49; 24:3; 28:20 (the end of the world).
9. The coming eon -- Mk. 10:30: Lu. 18:30; Heb. 6:5 (world); That eon Lu. 20:35 (that world).
10. For the day of the eon -- 2 Pet. 3:18 (forever). Compare Deut. 32:7; Mic. 5;2; 7:14; Mal.. 3:4.

EON IN THE PLURAL
1. God made the eons -- Heb. 1:2; equipped the eons -- Heb. 11:3 (worlds).
2. Purpose of the eons -- Eph. 3:11; King of the eons -- I Tim. 1:17 (eternal).
3. Before the eons -- I Cor. 2:7 (before the world); From the eons -- Eph. 3:9 (from the beginning of the world); Col. 1:26 (from ages).
1. For the eons -- Matt. 6:13; Lu. 1:33; Rom. 1:25; 9:5; 11:36; 16:27; Heb. 13:8 (for ever);
2 Cor. 11:31 (for evermore); For all the eons -- Jude 25 (ever). "All" omitted in some MSS.
2. The on-coming eons -- Eph. 2:7 (ages to come).
3. Conclusion of the eons -- Heb. 9: 26 (end of the world). R.V. "end of the ages."
4. Ends of the eons -- I Cor. 10:11 (ends of the world). R.V. "ends of the ages."

EON TWICE IN THE SAME PHRASE
1. The eons of the eons -- Gal. 1:5; Phil. 4:20; I Tim. 1:17;
2 Tim. 4:18; Heb. 13:21;1 Pet. 4:11; 5:11; Rev. 1:6; 4:9, 10; 5:13, 14; 7:12; 10:6; 1l:15; 14:11; 15:7; 19:3; 20:10; 22:5 (for ever and ever); Rev. 1:18 (for evermore).
A comparison of Rev. 11:14, 15 with I Cor. 15:27, 28 makes it clear that the expression the "eons or the eons" does not mean an endless succession of eons. Christ reigns for "the eons of the eons" after which He delivers up the Kingdom to the Father and Himself becomes subject that God may be all in all.
2. The eon of the eons -- for all the generations of, Eph. 3:21 (throughout all ages, world without end). In the K.J. version the Greek word for "generations" is wrongly translated "ages" in this passage. The eon or the eons is the last and greatest eon of them all. In it God’s saving purpose is brought to its climax and consummation in the Salvation of all.
3. The eon of the eon -- Heb. 1:8 (for ever and ever). This is a reference to the last eon which issues out of the one which precedes it.

THE ADJECTIVE EONIAN
1. Before eonian times -- 2 Timothy 1:9. Titus 1: 2 (before the world began)
2. In eonian times -- Romans 16:25 (since the world began)
3. Eonian life – Matthew 19:29; Luke 18:30; John 3:15, 16, 36; 4:14; 5:24; 6:27, 40, 47;
12:50; Acts 13:46; Romans 6:22; Galatians 6:8; I Timothy 1:16 (everlasting) Matthew 19:16; 25:46; Mark 10:17, 30; Luke 10:25; 18:18; John 4:36; 5:39; 6:54, 68; 10:28; 12:25; 17:2, 3; Acts 13:48; Romans 2:7; 5:21; 6:23; I Timothy 6:12; Titus 1:2; 3:7; I John 1:2; 2:25; 3:15; 5:11, 13,20; Jude 21 (eternal).
4. Eonian redemption – Hebrews 9:12 (eternal).
5. Eonian salvation -- Hebrews 5:9 (eternal).
6. Eonian glory – 2 Corinthians 4:17; 2 Timothy 2:10; I Peter 5:10; (eternal).
7. Eonian kingdom – 2 Peter 1:11; (everlasting).
8. Eonian inheritance – Hebrews 9:15 (eternal).
9. Eonian "things not seen" – 2 Corinthians 4:18 (eternal).
10. Eonian house – 2 Corinthians 5:1; (eternal).
11. Eonian habitations – Luke 16:9; (everlasting).
12. Eonian consolation – 2 Thessalonians 2:16; (everlasting).
13. Eonian covenant – Hebrews 13:20; (everlasting).
14. Eonian gospel – Revelation 14:6 (everlasting).
15. Eonian God – Romans 16:26 (everlasting).
16. Eonian Spirit – Hebrews 9:14 (eternal).
17. Eonian power – I Timothy 6:16 (everlasting).
18. Eonian judgment – Hebrews 6:2 (eternal).
19. Eonian condemnation -- Mark 3:29 (eternal damnation).
20. Eonian fire -- Matthew 18:8; 25:41 (everlasting); Jude 7 (eternal fire).
21. Eonian chastening -- Matthew 25:46 (everlasting).
22. Eonian destruction – 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (everlasting).
23. Eonian –Philemon 15 (forever).
The "eternal" of Romans 1:20, and the "everlasting" of Jude 6, is "aidios" not "aionios".
Note the "until" in Jude 6.

This outline was adapted from one prepared by the late Alexander Thompson of Edinburgh, Scotland
-- Joseph E. Kirk

In anticipation of what the Catholic Crusader is going to argue next I am posting the following.

AIONION NEVER MEANS ETERNAL

For aionios, or any combination thereof, to mean "eternal" its noun form MUST mean eternal. It doesn’t. It is impossible for the adjective aionios to mean eternal. Aionios is an adjective. Just as the function of "American" (adj.) is to inform us of that which pertains to America (it is never greater than "America") thus also the function of "aionios" (adj) is to inform us of that which pertains to the eon(s). It is never greater than the eons. No aion is eternal. Therefore it is impossible for that which pertains to the eons to be eternal. See
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

A common argument is that the subject matter changes aion from meaning a long period of time to eternal. This is simply not true.
There are many places in the Bible where the translation of aion as eternal or everlasting makes no sense at all. But there are no places in the Bible where the translation of aion as a limited period of time does not make perfect sense.

Copy and paste into Google
tentmaker comparative concordance
Comparative Concordance of how the Greek words aion and aionios are translated in various Bible translations

TWO COMMON QUESTIONS

QUESTION ONE:
If aionion NEVER means eternal, won’t the life of God come to an end?

ANSWER: Of course God is eternal, but that is not what the use of the word aionion is saying about Him. God is the God of the eons.

• THE EONS HAVE A BEGINNING
Literal Translation versus / King James Version
•
Heb.1:2 God made the eons / God made the worlds
I Cor. 2:7 before the eons / before the world
2Tim.1:9 before eonian times / before the world began

• THE EONS END, INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY
Heb. 9:26 the end of the eons / the end of the world
1 Cor. 10:11 the ends of the eons / the ends of the world
Matt. 24:3 the end of the eon / the end of the world

• HOW MANY EONS ARE THERE?
Col.1:26 hid from eons Past / hid from ages
Lu. 20:34 this eon Present / this world
Eph. 2:7 eons to come Future / ages to come
A minimum of five eons indicated

• THE PURPOSE OF THE EONS
• Eph.3:8-11 purpose of the eons / eternal purpose
Eph. 1:9-1l; PhiI.2:9-l1; Col.1:l5-21; I Cor. 15:20-28

QUESTION TWO
If aionion NEVER means eternal, won’t the life of the believer come to an end since the word is applied to both the life of the believer, and the punishment of the non-believer?

ANSWER:
While the believer is enjoying aionion life, the unbeliever will experience kolasis aionion (which means age-during corrective chastisement).
Chapter Eleven

Believers do receive aionion life. But if this is all that God promised, there would be no assurance of life beyond the eons. However, at the end of the eons God abolishes death from His universe (I Cor. 15:26). This is accomplished by imparting the resurrection life of Christ to all who have not previously received it. Aionion life assures one of life up to that point. Beyond that, death is impossible. Furthermore believers are made immortal when the Lord returns (I Cor. 15:50-57). When one has been made immortal, death is impossible.

CHART OF GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

Also see
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS An Analytical Study of Words

Also see
TIME AND ETERNITY (OLAM and AIONIOS) STEVENSON
TIME AND ETERNITY: A Biblical Study

There is a Greek word that Young translates eternal and that is "aidios" as in Romans 1:20, “eternal power and Godhead.” It can mean eternal unless it is limited by a qualifying phrase.
See Young’s literal translation of the Bible.

It compares with the Hebrew word qedem in Deut. 33:27 which should read
“The eternal (qedem) God is my refuge, and underneath are the age-during (olam) arms. (see Young's literal translation)
The Hebrew word olam compares with the Greek word aionios.
Both of them refer to a limited period of time.

The word aidios (not aionion) was in universal use among the Greek Jews of our Savior's day, to convey the idea of eternal duration, and was used by them to teach endless punishment. Here is the proof

HISTORY OF OPINIONS
and
The Origin and History of the Doctrine of Endless Punishment
and
Chapter 3 - Origin of Endless Punishment

Jesus never allowed himself to use it in connection with punishment, nor did any of his disciples but one, and he but once, and then carefully and expressly limited its meaning. Can demonstration go further than this to show that Jesus carefully avoided the phraseology by which his contemporaries described the doctrine of endless punishment? He never adopted the language of his day on this subject. Their language was aidios timoria, endless torment. His language was aionion kolasin, age-lasting correction. They described unending ruin, He, discipline, resulting in reformation.

If Jesus had wanted to convey the idea of “eternal” He would have used aidios, which was understood to mean eternal by Jesus' contemporaries.
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

The argument about “eternal hell” nearly always gets bogged down with the words, “My Greek scholars are more reliable than your Greek scholars,” and the result is nearly always a stalemate.

My Greek scholars are Louis Abbott and the many Greek scholars he quotes in chapters three and twelve. Copy and paste into Google
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS or click on
An Analytical Study of Words

Also see THE SCHOLAR’S CORNER at
Scholar's Corner: The Center for Bible studies in Christian Universalism

If you think it glorifies God more to let some of His creatures suffer forever, or annihilate them, then you keep believing that.

But if you think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need which is a change in their stubborn will, then know that there is plenty of evidence in the Bible that that is exactly what God is like.

[ElpidioLGagolinan]

Originally Posted by rodgertutt

Salvation out of the lake of fire which is the 2nd death

The Lake of Fire: The Prodigal Son; God Gains Attention;The Lake Of Fire;The Second Death;Not Hurt Of The Second Death;Tormented In The Presence Of The Lamb

Although the book of Revelation is the last book placed in the Bible, it is not the final revelation of what God is going to do with His fallen creatures. The apostle Paul saw way beyond John.

Reconciliation in the Heavens

Col.1:25 of which I became a dispenser, in accord with the administration of God, which is granted to me for you, to complete the word of God

There is much evidence that Paul did see way beyond John. For instance, in Revelation there are still kings reigning, and Christ is still reigning along with His followers. There are still sovereignties and powers in force throughout the book of revelation. So John did not see the day when all sovereignty, authority and power would be done away. Paul did. If you will look at 1Corinthians 15:24-28 Paul saw the day when all of these would be done away. He sees the day when "He should be nullifying all sovereignty, authority and power" (vs.24)

Paul sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (vs.25).

Paul sees the day when death (all death which includes the second death) will be abolished (vs.26). Please remember that death will be abolished **after** all the sovereignties, authorities and powers in Revelation have been nullified. Within the book of Revelation, death is still operational as are the afore mentioned powers.

So what is going to happen to all these people who are in death when death is abolished?

They will come forth vivified (made alive beyond the reach of death) (1Cor.15:22).

They will have their lives justified and will be constituted righteous:

Romans 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying.
Romans 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just.

All will be reconciled to God (Col.1:20)

All will be headed up in Christ (Eph.1:10)

All will bow the knee in the name of Jesus and acclaim with their tongue that "Jesus Christ is Lord" to the glory of God, the Father (Phil.2:9-11).
And we know that anyone who acclaims that Jesus Christ is Lord, especially when it is to God's glory without any hypocrisy is saved for 1Corinthians 12:3 says so.

So there is proof that people will go to the second death **when ** the new earth comes. And there is proof that this is not the final goal God has for these people.

In summary then:
The lake of fire is the second death.
The apostle John did not see into the future as far as the apostle Paul.
How do I know this? and what ramifications does this have as to whether or not one gets out of the lake of fire...the second death? Plenty.
In the book of revelation Christ is still reigning; death is still operational; sovereignties, authorities and powers are still in force.
In 1Cor.15:22-28 Paul sees way beyond John's revelation.
He sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (1Cor.15:25).
He sees the day when all sovereignties, authorities and powers are nullified (1Cor.15:24).
He sees the day when death is abolished (1Cor.15:26) and all are then subjected to Christ then Christ is subjected to God and then God is All in all (1Cor.15:28).
So, yes, there is scripture which intimates that all in the lake of fire will come forth and God will be All in all.
Also in 1Cor.15:22 all are dying and in Christ shall all be vivified. So this happens after death for most.
Also in Romans 5:18,19 you have what happens to all mankind due to what Adam did which happens to the exact same all mankind due to what Christ did. But it does not happen to all at the exact same time.
Each in his own order.

The Lake of Fire

Reconciliation in the Heavens

Savior of the World Series

Where is a resurrection from the lake of fire which is the second death taught in the scriptures?

The lake of fire is distinctly defined as the second death Rev.20:14; 21:8. In it is cast all that is still at enmity with God. So that, death is indeed the last enemy (1 Cor.15:26).
And we are just as decidedly told that Christ is the one who abolishes death and brings life and incorruptibility to light (2 Tim.1:10). The reading "hath abolished" is not true as to fact or as to grammar. It is in the indefinite form (commonly called the aorist tense) simply recording the fact apart from time. Death has not been abolished yet.
How and when it will be abolished is told us in the fifteenth of first Corinthians. It is to be abolished by means of universal vivification (1 Cor.15:22). This takes place at the consummation (1 Cor.15:26).

It is useless to look for plain statements on this subject in parts of the Scriptures whose scope is limited to eonian truth, such as the Revelation. It is unwise to look for it anywhere but in the special portion which deals with this topic. Death and resurrection are exhaustively treated in the, fifteen chapter of first Corinthians and there it is we should look for clear statements as to the ultimate goal. There we are distinctly told that the last enemy that shall be abolished is death (which must refer to the lake of fire, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). And there we are told that it is to be done by a universal vivification rather than resurrection.

The term "resurrection" is applied to those who have afterward died again, such as those who suffer the second death. Hence there is not a resurrection, merely, from the lake of fire, but a vivification beyond which there can be no death.

What do you suppose the lake that burns with fire and brimstone will do? It will burn off of mankind the stubborn will which is contrary to the Lord’s will. It will take that which the Lord subjected man to, death, and will burn its bonds off. The flames of fire will lick the lashes of cords that have bound men in rebellion and will dispose of those cords as one would burn refuse in a hot scorching fire. It is the rebellious will, maintained by ignorance that is burned. The same standard of burning happens to the Overcomer. They are baptized in the very same fire. The fire that constitutes the lake that burns with fire and brimstone and the fire upon the brow of the Overcomer are the very same kind of fire. In both cases, whether it be the Overcomer or the unrepentant sinner, the cords of ignorance as to the will of the Lord are burned off. Such is the ordination in fire, no one will escape it who needs it.

Although the book of Revelation is the last book placed in the Bible, it is not the final revelation of what God is going to do with His fallen creatures. The apostle Paul saw way beyond John.

To Mr. Rodger Tutt,

On my last reply I said I will not respond to you anymore but you just wrote a statement above that I can't resist answering. Mr. Rodger you are dealing with something called extra-Biblical or revelation outside the Bible, a practice which is dangerous.

Let me remind you sir. about the warnings in the Book of Revelation found in Revelation 22:18 and 19 that says:

For I testify unto every man that hear the words of the prophecy of this book. If any man shall add unto these things. God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy. God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Originally Posted by rodgertutt

Salvation out of the lake of fire which is the 2nd death

The Lake of Fire: The Prodigal Son; God Gains Attention;The Lake Of Fire;The Second Death;Not Hurt Of The Second Death;Tormented In The Presence Of The Lamb

Although the book of Revelation is the last book placed in the Bible, it is not the final revelation of what God is going to do with His fallen creatures. The apostle Paul saw way beyond John.

Reconciliation in the Heavens

Col.1:25 of which I became a dispenser, in accord with the administration of God, which is granted to me for you, to complete the word of God

There is much evidence that Paul did see way beyond John. For instance, in Revelation there are still kings reigning, and Christ is still reigning along with His followers. There are still sovereignties and powers in force throughout the book of revelation. So John did not see the day when all sovereignty, authority and power would be done away. Paul did. If you will look at 1Corinthians 15:24-28 Paul saw the day when all of these would be done away. He sees the day when "He should be nullifying all sovereignty, authority and power" (vs.24)

Paul sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (vs.25).

Paul sees the day when death (all death which includes the second death) will be abolished (vs.26). Please remember that death will be abolished **after** all the sovereignties, authorities and powers in Revelation have been nullified. Within the book of Revelation, death is still operational as are the afore mentioned powers.

So what is going to happen to all these people who are in death when death is abolished?

They will come forth vivified (made alive beyond the reach of death) (1Cor.15:22).

They will have their lives justified and will be constituted righteous:

Romans 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying.
Romans 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just.

All will be reconciled to God (Col.1:20)

All will be headed up in Christ (Eph.1:10)

All will bow the knee in the name of Jesus and acclaim with their tongue that "Jesus Christ is Lord" to the glory of God, the Father (Phil.2:9-11).
And we know that anyone who acclaims that Jesus Christ is Lord, especially when it is to God's glory without any hypocrisy is saved for 1Corinthians 12:3 says so.

So there is proof that people will go to the second death **when ** the new earth comes. And there is proof that this is not the final goal God has for these people.

In summary then:
The lake of fire is the second death.
The apostle John did not see into the future as far as the apostle Paul.
How do I know this? and what ramifications does this have as to whether or not one gets out of the lake of fire...the second death? Plenty.
In the book of revelation Christ is still reigning; death is still operational; sovereignties, authorities and powers are still in force.
In 1Cor.15:22-28 Paul sees way beyond John's revelation.
He sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (1Cor.15:25).
He sees the day when all sovereignties, authorities and powers are nullified (1Cor.15:24).
He sees the day when death is abolished (1Cor.15:26) and all are then subjected to Christ then Christ is subjected to God and then God is All in all (1Cor.15:28).
So, yes, there is scripture which intimates that all in the lake of fire will come forth and God will be All in all.
Also in 1Cor.15:22 all are dying and in Christ shall all be vivified. So this happens after death for most.
Also in Romans 5:18,19 you have what happens to all mankind due to what Adam did which happens to the exact same all mankind due to what Christ did. But it does not happen to all at the exact same time.
Each in his own order.

The Lake of Fire

Reconciliation in the Heavens

Savior of the World Series

Where is a resurrection from the lake of fire which is the second death taught in the scriptures?

The lake of fire is distinctly defined as the second death Rev.20:14; 21:8. In it is cast all that is still at enmity with God. So that, death is indeed the last enemy (1 Cor.15:26).
And we are just as decidedly told that Christ is the one who abolishes death and brings life and incorruptibility to light (2 Tim.1:10). The reading "hath abolished" is not true as to fact or as to grammar. It is in the indefinite form (commonly called the aorist tense) simply recording the fact apart from time. Death has not been abolished yet.
How and when it will be abolished is told us in the fifteenth of first Corinthians. It is to be abolished by means of universal vivification (1 Cor.15:22). This takes place at the consummation (1 Cor.15:26).

It is useless to look for plain statements on this subject in parts of the Scriptures whose scope is limited to eonian truth, such as the Revelation. It is unwise to look for it anywhere but in the special portion which deals with this topic. Death and resurrection are exhaustively treated in the, fifteen chapter of first Corinthians and there it is we should look for clear statements as to the ultimate goal. There we are distinctly told that the last enemy that shall be abolished is death (which must refer to the lake of fire, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). And there we are told that it is to be done by a universal vivification rather than resurrection.

The term "resurrection" is applied to those who have afterward died again, such as those who suffer the second death. Hence there is not a resurrection, merely, from the lake of fire, but a vivification beyond which there can be no death.

What do you suppose the lake that burns with fire and brimstone will do? It will burn off of mankind the stubborn will which is contrary to the Lord’s will. It will take that which the Lord subjected man to, death, and will burn its bonds off. The flames of fire will lick the lashes of cords that have bound men in rebellion and will dispose of those cords as one would burn refuse in a hot scorching fire. It is the rebellious will, maintained by ignorance that is burned. The same standard of burning happens to the Overcomer. They are baptized in the very same fire. The fire that constitutes the lake that burns with fire and brimstone and the fire upon the brow of the Overcomer are the very same kind of fire. In both cases, whether it be the Overcomer or the unrepentant sinner, the cords of ignorance as to the will of the Lord are burned off. Such is the ordination in fire, no one will escape it who needs it.

IMHO I am neither adding nor subtracting from the Sriptures with this post.
I am just stating the facts as I see them.
Readers will decide for themselves about it.

BTW here is the Scriptural proof that everyone who is not in the "book of life" will be saved out of the lake of fire which is the second death later.
The Lake of Fire