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Most people know little about the Seventh-day Adventists beyond that they worship on Saturdays, not Sundays. But there’s more to this unique sect.

Adventist History

The Seventh-day Adventist church traces its roots to American preacher William Miller (1782–1849), a Baptist who predicted the Second Coming would occur between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844. Because he and his followers proclaimed Christ’s imminent advent, they were known as "Adventists."

When Christ failed to appear, Miller reluctantly endorsed the position of a group of his followers known as the "seventh-month movement," who claimed Christ would return on October 22, 1844 (in the seventh month of the Jewish calendar).

When this didn’t happen either, Miller forswore predicting the date of the Second Coming, and his followers broke up into a number of competing factions. Miller would have nothing to do with the new theories his followers produced, including ones which attempted to save part of his 1844 doctrine. He rejected this and other teachings being generated by his former followers, including those of Ellen Gould White.

Miller had claimed, based on his interpretation of Daniel and Revelation, that Christ would return in 1843–44 to cleanse "the sanctuary" (Dan. 8:11–14, 9:26), which he interpreted as the earth. After the disappointments of 1844, several of his followers proposed an alternative theory. While walking in a cornfield on the morning of October 23, 1844, the day after Christ failed to return, Hiram Edson felt he received a spiritual revelation that indicated that Miller had misidentified the sanctuary. It was not the earth, but the Holy of Holies in God’s heavenly temple. Instead of coming out of the heavenly temple to cleanse the sanctuary of the earth, in 1844 Christ, for the first time, went into the heavenly Holy of Holies to cleanse it instead.

Another group of Millerites was influenced by Joseph Bates, a retired sea captain, who in 1846 and 1849 issued pamphlets insisting that Christians observe the Jewish Sabbath—Saturday—instead of worshipping on Sunday. This helped feed the intense anti-Catholicism of Seventh-day Adventism, since they blamed the Catholic Church for changing the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

These two streams of thought—Christ entering the heavenly sanctuary and the need to keep the Jewish Sabbath—were combined by White, who claimed to have received many visions confirming these doctrines. Together with Edson and Bates, she formed the Seventh-day Adventist denomination, which officially received its name in 1860.

Today the denomination reports that it has 780,000 members in the United States and 7.8 million members elsewhere, many in Catholic countries.

Adventist Propaganda

White claimed to receive the first of several hundred visions in December of 1844. She gained recognition in Adventist circles as a prophetess and became the church’s leader. Over the next few decades, she provided guidance on almost every.aspect of belief and worship, writing over fifty books commenting on health, education, finance, and other topics. Her works are held by her followers to be inerrant on matters of doctrine, as is the Bible, though they are on a slightly lower plane of honor than the Bible.

Her most important books, especially The Desire of the Ages and The Great Controversy, are frequently reprinted by Seventh-day Adventist publishing houses in a variety of formats. They often appear with different covers and titles. For example, The Great Controversy is often marketed as America in Prophecy. They are printed whole or in excerpted form. Sometimes Ellen Gould White’s name appears on the cover, sometimes a less well-known form of her name appears (e.g., E. G. White), and sometimes her name does not appear on the outside of the book at all.

This allows Adventists to put White’s works in the hands of non-Adventists without alerting them that they are reading an Adventist publication until they are well into the work.

Adventist publishing houses also keep the terms "Seventh-day" and "Adventist" out of their names. Typical Adventist and Adventist-related publishing houses have names including Inspiration Books, Amazing Truth Publications, Review & Herald Publishing Association, and Pilgrims’ Press.

This is because Adventists have always been regarded suspiciously by Evangelicals and have often been viewed as a fanatical cult (as have some of their offshoots, such as the Branch Davidians). Many Evangelical leaders even have asserted—incorrectly—that Adventists are not Christians, even though they believe in Christ’s divinity and use a valid Trinitarian form of baptism.

Often Adventist-related publishing houses conduct mass mailings of their literature to every home and post office box in a community. This has been done regularly with Amazing Truth Publications’ anti-Catholic volume, National Sunday Law.

Adventist Beliefs

Seventh-day Adventists agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the Trinity, Christ’s divinity, the virgin birth, the atonement, a physical resurrection of the dead, and Christ’s Second Coming. They use a valid form of baptism. They believe in original sin and reject the Evangelical teaching that one can never lose one’s salvation no matter what one does (i.e., they correctly reject "once saved, always saved").

Unfortunately, they also hold many false and strange doctrines. Among these are the following: (a) the Catholic Church is the Hore of Babylon; (b) the pope is the Antichrist; (c) in the last days, Sunday worship will be "the mark of the beast"; (d) there is a future millennium in which the devil will roam the earth while Christians are with Christ in heaven; (e) the soul sleeps between death and resurrection; and (f) on the last day, after a limited period of punishment in hell, the wicked will be annihilated and cease to exist rather than be eternally damned. (For rebuttals of many of these ideas, see the Catholic Answers tracts, The Antichrist, The Hell There Is, Hunting the Hore of Babylon, The Hore of Babylon, and Sabbath or Sunday?)

Many Adventists insist that, as a matter of discipline (not doctrine), one must not eat meats considered unclean under the Mosaic Law (many endorse total vegetarianism), and one must avoid "worldly entertainments" (card-playing, dancing, smoking, drinking, reading non-religious books, listening to non-religious music, watching non-religious television, going to the movies, etc.).

Adventists also subscribe to the two Protestant shibboleths, sola scriptura (the Bible is the sole rule of faith) and sola fide (justification is by faith alone). Other Protestants, especially conservative Evangelicals and Fundamentalists, often attack Adventists on these points, claiming they do not really hold them, which is often used as "proof" that they are "a cult." However, along the spectrum of Protestantism (from high-church Lutherans and Anglicans to low-church Pentecostals and Baptists), there is little agreement about the meaning of these two phrases or about the doctrines they are supposed to represent.

Adventist Anti-Catholicism

As is clear from some of the beliefs listed above, Adventist theology is intensely anti-Catholic. Many Catholics who do not frequently come in contact with Adventists or their literature do not realize just how hostile they can be toward the Church.

Trying to give others the benefit of the doubt, Catholics may suppose that anti-Catholicism is part of Adventism’s radical fringe. Unfortunately, this is untrue. Adventists who are moderate on Catholicism are a minority. Anti-Catholicism characterizes the denomination because it is embraced in White’s "divinely inspired" writings. A few illustrations help indicate the scope of the problem:

"Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots . . . is further declared to be ‘that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.’ Revelation 17:4–6, 18. The power that for so many centuries maintained despotic sway over the monarchs of Christendom is Rome. The purple and scarlet color, the gold and precious stones and pearls, vividly picture the magnificence and more than kingly pomp affected by the haughty see of Rome" (The Great Controversy, 338).

"It is one of the leading doctrines of Romanism that the pope is the visible head of the universal Church of Christ . . . and has been declared infallible. He demands the homage of all men. The same claim urged by Satan in the wilderness of temptation is still urged by him [Satan] through the Church of Rome, and vast numbers are ready to yield him homage" (ibid., 48).

"Marvelous in her shrewdness and cunning is the Roman Church. She can read what is to be. She bides her time, seeing that the Protestant churches are paying her homage in their acceptance of the false Sabbath. . . . And let it be remembered, it is the boast of Rome that she never changes. The principles of Gregory VII and Innocent III are still the principles of the Roman Catholic Church. And has she but the power, she would put them in practice with as much vigor now as in past centuries. . . . Rome is aiming to reestablish her power, to recover her lost supremacy" (ibid., 507–8).

"God’s word has given warning of the impending danger; let this be unheeded, and the Protestant world will learn what the purposes of Rome really are, only when it is too late to escape the snare. She is silently growing into power. Her doctrines are exerting their influence in legislative halls, in the churches, and in the hearts of men. She is piling up her lofty and massive structures, in the secret recesses of which her former persecutions will be1 repeated. Stealthily and unsuspectedly she is strengthening her forces to further her own ends when the time shall come for her to strike. All that she desires is vantage ground, and this is already being given her. We shall soon see and shall feel what the purpose of the Roman element is. Whoever believe and obey the word of God will thereby incur reproach and persecution" ( ibid., 508–9).

Strong stuff! Unfortunately, most Adventists believe this. Bear in mind that these quotes are not taken from an obscure work of White’s that nobody ever reads. They are from what is probably her single most popular volume, The Great Controversy.

Adventist Eschatology

Seventh-day Adventism is basically consumed with the concept of the last days. It was formed from the remnants of the Millerite movement, which was created to await the world’s end. In White’s end times view, the Jewish Sabbath and the Catholic Church play prominent roles.

According to her, the papacy is the seven-headed beast from the sea in Revelation 13:1–10. Accompanying this beast is a lamb-like beast from the earth (Rev. 13:11–18). The latter causes the world to worship the former and has an image made of it. White proclaimed that the second beast is the United States (The Great Controversy, 387–8), and that it will force people to worship the papacy by "enforcing some observance which shall be an act of homage to the papacy" (ibid., 389). This observance, she says, is Sunday worship rather than Saturday worship.

White claims that the papacy changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday, making this change a mark of its authority. In her view, there will come a time when the United States will establish a "national Sunday law" and compel its citizens to worship on Sunday and thus take the mark of the beast. It will not compel them to become Catholics, but to join a Protestant state-church that is an "image" of the papacy, and thus, "the image of the beast" (ibid., 382–96).

Seventh-day Adventism cannot change its views on the Catholic Church being the hore of Babylon without admitting that it was wrong on Sunday worship. It cannot admit that Sunday worship is not the mark of the beast without changing its views on the Jewish Sabbath. Seventh-day Adventism cannot cease to be anti-Catholic without ceasing to be Seventh-day Adventism.

There is a "moderate" wing of Adventism that is more open to Catholics as individuals (though still retaining White’s views concerning the papacy). In fact, White was willing to concede that—in the here and now (before the end times)—some Catholics are saved. She wrote that "there are now true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion, who honestly believe that Sunday is the Sabbath of divine appointment. God accepts their sincerity of purpose and their integrity before him. But when Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than Rome, will thereby honor popery above God" (ibid., 395).

Unfortunately, this one tolerant statement is embedded in hundreds of hostile statements. While this.aspect of her teaching can be played up by her more moderate followers, it is difficult for them to do so, because the whole Adventist milieu in which they exist is anti-Catholic. The group is an eschatology sect, and its central eschatological teaching, other than Christ’s Second Coming, is that the Second Coming will be preceded by a period in which the papacy will enforce Sunday worship on the world. Everyone who does not accept the papacy’s Sunday worship will be killed; and everyone who does accept the papacy’s Sunday worship will be destroyed by God.

By virtue of their valid baptism, and their belief in Christ’s divinity and in the doctrine of the Trinity, Seventh-day Adventists are both ontologically and theologically Christians. But Christians, once separated from the Church our Lord founded, are susceptible to being "tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine" (Eph. 4:14).
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Thanks for introducing my faith. But now you must ask me questions about the SDA's church and let me explained everybody here why it is only the true remnant in the SDA church who can preach, the everlasting gospel. And the Adventist nickname is "The People of the Bible" But that name count now only for the remnant because the church is apostate now, by holding on the doctrine of Trinity. Thanks again for introduce the only church that can preached the Three Angels Messages. And when you have time go to the remnant church and followed the ending.
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Seventh-day Adventism

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Adventist History

The Seventh-day Adventist church traces its roots to American preacher William Miller (1782–1849), a Baptist who predicted the Second Coming would occur between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844. Because he and his followers proclaimed Christ’s imminent advent, they were known as "Adventists."

When Christ failed to appear, Miller reluctantly endorsed the position of a group of his followers known as the "seventh-month movement," who claimed Christ would return on October 22, 1844 (in the seventh month of the Jewish calendar).

When this didn’t happen either, Miller forswore predicting the date of the Second Coming, and his followers broke up into a number of competing factions. Miller would have nothing to do with the new theories his followers produced, including ones which attempted to save part of his 1844 doctrine. He rejected this and other teachings being generated by his former followers, including those of Ellen Gould White.
Ahh the zeal of anticipation found in the absence of diligent yet self-controlled and steadfast study. The first time Christ failed to appear was already too late! Couldn't they see that? But I doubt if our friend Pipiripi could relate though I hope I'm wrong.

What should cause them to ask 'why?' Should we accept any old wind that wishes to turn its back on those timeless words of our Lord saying;

"No one knows about that day or hour"?

Matt 24:36

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Thanks for introducing my faith........
Oh, don't thank me sir. Your cult has been addressed many times in this forum over the years. You are just the latest to show up.

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.....now you must ask me questions about the SDA's church and let me explained everybody here why it is only the true remnant in the SDA church who can preach, the everlasting gospel.......
I'd rather see you address the OP, which explains that you are exactly the opposite.
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......"No one knows about that day or hour".......
Father Corapi use to tell a great story about meeting a guy on the street who was yelling,"The end is near, the end is near!"

Father Corapi replied, "Yes, it is, for you and me."

His point was: We will all die soon, relatively speaking, and the state of our souls when we die is what is important, not all this hollering and yelling about that which "No one knows about that day or hour"
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Father Corapi use to tell a great story about meeting a guy on the street who was yelling,"The end is near, the end is near!"

Father Corapi replied, "Yes, it is, for you and me."

His point was: We will all die soon, relatively speaking, and the state of our souls when we die is what is important, not all this hollering and yelling about that which "No one knows about that day or hour"
A lot to be said over seasons of wording; which wording would be and which would not be the soul-winning combination. I'm guessing therefore with Fr Corapi, that he would have it back-pocket ready if testing the issue demanded it?
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Is it true, that the SDA makes it a Christian’s emphatic duty for “commandment keeping”, and that it must be “kept”, not to earn salvation but the resulting practice to retain salvation? But that according to them if someone winds up breaking the law they forfeit salvation. What does it say?, ,
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."


(Matthew 7:12; 22:37-40, Galatians 5:14)
Isn’t it furthermore laid to rest for every Christian and for ALL it’s keeping?
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.

(Romans 13:8)
As I understand it, there are exceptions within SD from one location to another as to just how emphatic an implication stands. Remember that other SDA member we had a few years back? As contentious as could be and un-receptive. Throwing themselves about as though under a cloud of fear of "missing the mark".

I believe the Lord has so much more for us seeing that He bore the law as one unit in His body on the cross!

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Is it true, that the SDA makes it a Christian’s emphatic duty for “commandment keeping”, and that it must be “kept”, not to earn salvation but the resulting practice to retain salvation? But that according to them if someone winds up breaking the law they forfeit salvation. What does it say?, ,
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."


(Matthew 7:12; 22:37-40, Galatians 5:14)
Isn’t it furthermore laid to rest for every Christian and for ALL it’s keeping?
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.

(Romans 13:8)
As I understand it, there are exceptions within SD from one location to another as to just how emphatic an implication stands. Remember that other SDA member we had a few years back? As contentious as could be and un-receptive. Throwing themselves about as though under a cloud of fear of "missing the mark".

I believe the Lord has so much more for us seeing that He bore the law as one unit in His body on the cross!

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My friend first of all, I want you to read who is the true remnant of God church. Past through it and practice what you read, because everything is Biblical. I hope that the SDA's believers wake up from their sleep. My friend there is a message in the Bible that I'm sure that you didn't a preacher or anyone preached this message. You can ask me why? But when you read Revelation 12:17 and 14:12. You must ask yourself if you are one of the person that God say that belong to Him. I ask questions nobody can answered me with yes or no! Because they don't keep the commandments of God. They have faith in Jesus, but doesn't have the faith OF Jesus. I am preaching the Three Angels Messages, because that is the last warning for the world. COME OUT OF BABYLON MY PEOPLE!!
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My friend first of all, I want you to read who is the true remnant of God church. Past through it and practice what you read, because everything is Biblical. I hope that the SDA's believers wake up from their sleep. My friend there is a message in the Bible that I'm sure that you didn't a preacher or anyone preached this message. You can ask me why? But when you read Revelation 12:17 and 14:12. You must ask yourself if you are one of the person that God say that belong to Him. I ask questions nobody can answered me with yes or no! Because they don't keep the commandments of God. They have faith in Jesus, but doesn't have the faith OF Jesus. I am preaching the Three Angels Messages, because that is the last warning for the world. COME OUT OF BABYLON MY PEOPLE!!
I understand, but aren't you skipping over these references I am asking about, it looks like you are wanting us to??
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I understand, but aren't you skipping over these references I am asking about, it looks like you are wanting us to??
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My friend what you asking about the SDA, The answer is in the true remnant church of God. Bible is talking about a FEW that will get salvation, and that person is the one that obey God. There will be no salvation for people who knows the truth and ignore it.
One thing more, I don't want nobody to think that I will changed them. God is the one that change people. Go read again which people is God true last remnant today.
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