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Old 09-12-2018, 03:05 AM
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Pipiripi?
Tough to say, possible, but I’m thinking not. “Theocrat” seems a bit too sensible as well as missing some of his signature dropout of grammar, yet that first line could have been his.
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Old 09-12-2018, 02:33 PM
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Old 10-23-2018, 01:55 PM
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I wouldn’t have any problem at all with that if it was open-ended as the scriptures indicate, but it isn’t,


Oh, I’m the one flawed eh? But what is not being told? That Peter holds the keys to the kingdom, or that Peter holds the keys to the Spirit to bind unity to himself? That is aberration to the kingdom that is void of “peace” making it flawed from integrity. How can these writers in good conscience trample the whole score underfoot? Although you reject this as bad because I suspect it reduces Peter’s elevation, still, didn’t 1Corinthians1:12 just warn them of NOT doing this very thing?
I am of”, ,
Paul – insightful
Apollos – disciplined
Cephas - factual
Thereby, filling it in for themselves,
I have become all Cephas things to all men, so that I may by all Cephas means save some.

(1 Corinthians 9:22)
The Cephas-only Catholic would then plead innocent from removing the "whit" from Paul? As wrong as that is, isn’t that what is being suggested? We would do well if we re-read, the text isn’t granting a “unity of Peter” and frankly is the furthest thing from it, the text is clear but for the unity of the Spirit that doesn’t extract from Paul. What do they say, “if the root is not dealt with, the problem will continue.” This is not to be confused with the “spirit of rejection” of Catholics, but a well-crafted root of rejecting the unity of the Spirit.

Of course, not dealing with the spoken unity, as stated above, is just too easy, I present to you exhibit-A: the fellowship of like-minded who insist on abandonment under the guise of “unity”. Remember, the text's version of unity doesn't deny Peter's estate. The root of this abandonment; who else but self – I see but won’t try. if this is an accurate perspective of the undercurrent of Catholicism's number, then therein is the combination of agreed division in one body.
“, , whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas, , all are yours,”

1 Corinthians 3:22

Failure to retrieve Paul and Apollos are on a target, a vacuum of v-22 is itself a perilous time.

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Hi CC and will you comment on Matt 16:18 where the verb tense says " I WILL BUILD ? OIKODOMEO is in the FUTURE TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE AND IN THE INDICATIVE MOOD !!

Also EKKLESIA does not means CHURCH as EK means OUT and KALEO means a calling so EKKLESIA means ASSEMBLY N O T CHURCH !!

Dying to see how you answer the Greek FUTURE TENSE !!

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Old 11-18-2018, 01:10 PM
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Hi CC and will you comment on Matt 16:18 where the verb tense says " I WILL BUILD ? OIKODOMEO is in the FUTURE TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE AND IN THE INDICATIVE MOOD !!

Also EKKLESIA does not means CHURCH as EK means OUT and KALEO means a calling so EKKLESIA means ASSEMBLY N O T CHURCH !!

Dying to see how you answer the Greek FUTURE TENSE !!

dan p
"Will build" is correct. Technically, the Old Law was not swept away and the New Covenant was not established until Jesus shed his blood on the cross. After that, he sent the apostles out to teach all nations, and the building of the Church began - upon Peter the Rock.

As for "Church" - Yes, Assembly, or People of God, Family of God, these are all aspects of the Church.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

I. NAMES AND IMAGES OF THE CHURCH

751 The word "Church" (Latin ecclesia, from the Greek ek-ka-lein, to "call out of") means a convocation or an assembly. It designates the assemblies of the people, usually for a religious purpose.139 Ekklesia is used frequently in the Greek Old Testament for the assembly of the Chosen People before God, above all for their assembly on Mount Sinai where Israel received the Law and was established by God as his holy people.140 By calling itself "Church," the first community of Christian believers recognized itself as heir to that assembly. In the Church, God is "calling together" his people from all the ends of the earth. the equivalent Greek term Kyriake, from which the English word Church and the German Kirche are derived, means "what belongs to the Lord."

752 In Christian usage, the word "church" designates the liturgical assembly,141 but also the local community142 or the whole universal community of believers.143 These three meanings are inseparable. "The Church" is the People that God gathers in the whole world. She exists in local communities and is made real as a liturgical, above all a Eucharistic, assembly. She draws her life from the word and the Body of Christ and so herself becomes Christ's Body.

Symbols of the Church

753 In Scripture, we find a host of interrelated images and figures through which Revelation speaks of the inexhaustible mystery of the Church. the images taken from the Old Testament are variations on a profound theme: the People of God. In the New Testament, all these images find a new center because Christ has become the head of this people, which henceforth is his Body.144 Around this center are grouped images taken "from the life of the shepherd or from cultivation of the land, from the art of building or from family life and marriage."145

754 "The Church is, accordingly, a sheepfold, the sole and necessary gateway to which is Christ. It is also the flock of which God himself foretold that he would be the shepherd, and whose sheep, even though governed by human shepherds, are unfailingly nourished and led by Christ himself, the Good Shepherd and Prince of Shepherds, who gave his life for his sheep.146

755 "The Church is a cultivated field, the tillage of God. On that land the ancient olive tree grows whose holy roots were the prophets and in which the reconciliation of Jews and Gentiles has been brought about and will be brought about again. That land, like a choice vineyard, has been planted by the heavenly cultivator. Yet the true vine is Christ who gives life and fruitfulness to the branches, that is, to us, who through the Church remain in Christ, without whom we can do nothing.147

756 "Often, too, the Church is called the building of God. the Lord compared himself to the stone which the builders rejected, but which was made into the comer-stone. On this foundation the Church is built by the apostles and from it the Church receives solidity and unity. This edifice has many names to describe it: the house of God in which his family dwells; the household of God in the Spirit; the dwelling-place of God among men; and, especially, the holy temple. This temple, symbolized in places of worship built out of stone, is praised by the Fathers and, not without reason, is compared in the liturgy to the Holy City, the New Jerusalem. As living stones we here on earth are built into it. It is this holy city that is seen by John as it comes down out of heaven from God when the world is made anew, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.148

757 "The Church, further, which is called 'that Jerusalem which is above' and 'our mother', is described as the spotless spouse of the spotless lamb. It is she whom Christ 'loved and for whom he delivered himself up that he might sanctify her.' It is she whom he unites to himself by an unbreakable alliance, and whom he constantly 'nourishes and cherishes.'"149


Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

139 Cf. ⇒ Acts 19:39.
140 Cf. ⇒ Ex 19.
141 Cf. ⇒ 1 Cor 11:18; ⇒ 14:19, ⇒ 28, ⇒ 34, ⇒ 35.
142 Cf. ⇒ 1 Cor 1:2; ⇒ 16:1.
143 Cf. ⇒ 1 Cor 15:9; ⇒ Gal 1:13; ⇒ Phil 3:6.
144 Cf. ⇒ Eph 1:22; ⇒ Col 1:18; LG 9.
145 LG 6.
146 LG 6; Cf. ⇒ Jn 10:1-10; ⇒ Isa 40:11; ⇒ Ezek 34:11-31; ⇒ Jn 10:11; ⇒ 1 Pet 5:4; ⇒ Jn 10:11-16.
147 LG 6; Cf. 1 Cor 39; ⇒ Rom 11:13-26; ⇒ Mt 21:32-43 and parallels; ⇒ Isa 51-7; ⇒ Jn 15:1-5.
148 LG 6; Cf. ⇒ 1 Cor 3:9; ⇒ Mt 21:42 and parallels; ⇒ Acts 4:11; ⇒ 1 Pet 2:7; ⇒ PS 118:22; ⇒ 1 Cor 3:11; ⇒ 1 Tim 3:15; ⇒ Eph 2:19-22; ⇒ Rev 21:3; ⇒ 1 Pet 2:5; ⇒ Rev 21:1-2.
149 LG 6; Cf. ⇒ Gal 4:26; ⇒ Rev 12:17; ⇒ 19:7; ⇒ 21:2, 9; ⇒ 22:17; ⇒ Eph 5:25-26, ⇒ 29.
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