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Old 11-30-2018, 08:53 PM
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Not everyone knows what Typology is. Typology
So, we slowly introduce it, so that non-Catholics can understand why Catholics view Mary as the New Ark of the Covenant.

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Okay. Typology describes a certain approach to reading the Bible. When Christians read typologically, they discern in the Old Testament “types” that prefigure a fulfillment in Jesus Christ. Isaiah spoke of a man of sorrows, and all Christians since the first generation have seen his oracle as a foreshadowing of Our Lord’s suffering and death. Similarly, the Passover lamb is seen as a prefigurement of the sacrifice of the cross. The sacrifice of Abraham and Isaac prefigures Calvary; and Noah’s ark prefigures Baptism. Jesus talks about “the sign of Jonah” (Matthew 12:38-42) that prefigures his death and resurrection. These are Old Testament "types" that the New Testament itself draws our attention to.

It’s a very ancient method of approaching Scripture. Saint Paul spoke of Adam as a “type” of Jesus (Romans 5:14). Saint Peter spoke of the ancient flood as a figure of Christian baptism (1 Peter 3:20–21). The Letter to the Hebrews presented the old Law as “a shadow of the good things to come” (Hebrews 10:1). The Gospels presented Jesus as a new Temple, a new Solomon, and a new Moses. As Saint Augustine put it: “The New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New.”

So, to continue with types, Manna prefigures the Eucharist; the Ark of the Covenant prefigures Mary.





rstrats, Check out this chart
The Virgin Mary - The Ark of the New Covenant



"Mary, in whom the Lord himself has just made his dwelling, is the daughter of Zion in person, the Ark of the Covenant, the place where the glory of God dwells. She is 'the dwelling of God [...] with men.'" - CCC# 2676
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Wow! I think that's a lot to swallow. Let's just start with Mary being the New Ark of the Covenant for now.
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Wow! I think that's a lot to swallow. Let's just start with Mary being the New Ark of the Covenant for now.
Well, by giving examples of types that non-Catholics can relate too, I was hoping to make it easier for them to understand when we talk about Mary as the Ark.

The chart is really good: The Virgin Mary - The Ark of the New Covenant
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re: "So, we slowly introduce it, so that non-Catholics can understand why Catholics view Mary as the New Ark of the Covenant."

OK, just so it's understood that there is no scripture which refers to Mary as the New Ark of the Covenant in case there might be someone looking in who thinks that it does.
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re: "So, we slowly introduce it, so that non-Catholics can understand why Catholics view Mary as the New Ark of the Covenant."

OK, just so it's understood that there is no scripture which refers to Mary as the New Ark of the Covenant in case there might be someone looking in who thinks that it does.
Rstrat, it’s alluded in Scripture. There are many things alluded in Scripture. As CC pointed out, it is typology.
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......OK, just so it's understood that there is no scripture which refers to Mary as the New Ark of the Covenant in case there might be someone looking in who thinks that it does.
You are missing the entire point, and I think you are missing it on purpose.

Typology is all about seeing sign and shadows in the Old Testament of things to come in the New Testament. This is not hard to understand.

The bronze serpent on the pole (Numbers 21:4-9) is a prime example. It is a foreshadowing, a "Type", of Jesus on the cross.

The Ark is also a foreshadowing of Mary. Why? How? SEE THE CHART to understand how.
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On June 25, 1997, Pope John Paul 11 said-referring to Jesus‘ mother: “The New Testament provides no information on the circumstances of Mary’s death. This silence leads one to suppose that it happened naturally, with no detail particularly worthy of mention. .*.*. . The opinions that wish to exclude her from death by natural causes seem groundless.”

Since Adam and Eve, all are born into sin-even Mary. (Romans 3:23) It is evident that Mary is one of the 1444,000 anointed and is residing in heaven.-Acts 1:12-15; 2:1-4; Romans 8:14-17.

However, I do not read/understand how-in the scriptures-she realized this reward at her immediately after her death since Christ’s presence and Kingdom (1,000 year reign) had not been established at that time.-1 Corinthians 15:23; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-16; Revelations 11:15.
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On June 25, 1997, Pope John Paul 11 said-referring to Jesus‘ mother: “The New Testament provides no information on the circumstances of Mary’s death. This silence leads one to suppose that it happened naturally, with no detail particularly worthy of mention. .*.*. . The opinions that wish to exclude her from death by natural causes seem groundless.”

Since Adam and Eve, all are born into sin-even Mary. (Romans 3:23) It is evident that Mary is one of the 1444,000 anointed and is residing in heaven.-Acts 1:12-15; 2:1-4; Romans 8:14-17.

However, I do not read/understand how-in the scriptures-she realized this reward at her immediately after her death since Christ’s presence and Kingdom (1,000 year reign) had not been established at that time.-1 Corinthians 15:23; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-16; Revelations 11:15.
We do not believe Mary was born into original sin. That's what the doctrine of the "Immaculate Conception" is about. We believe that at the very moment of her conception, God preserved her from original sin. Qoote:

We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful

As for Mary's death, we do not know if she was bodily assumed into heaven after she died or if she was still alive when she was assumed. That is what Saint Pope John Paull II was saying.
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