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Old 11-13-2014, 11:14 AM
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Are we divided by terminology, exclusivity, limited doctrine ?

I noticed we are divided by Terminology like Trinity, rapture. Use of other sources other than the Bible, focusing on Sabbath, one name of God etc.

Here is my suggestion :

Can we accept God as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is One God ?
Can we use 1 Thes. 4:16,17 and 1 Corinthians 15:52-54 instead of rapture ?
Can we use the Holy Bible only and traditions that conform to the Bible.
Can we agree that focusing on the Sabbath is focusing on law, that now we have a greater law , the Law of grace, Christ and the Spirit ?
Can we agree that Jehovah is only one name of God, and that we have more like Elohim, Adonai, El Shaddai ?
Can we agree that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and as a result of that we do good works because that is what we are designed to do ? (Ephesians 2:8-10)
Can we forget the past division like Catholics and Protestants terms and use church of God ?
Can we love one another as Christ love the church, and gave Himself for us ?
Can we ?
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Old 11-13-2014, 01:18 PM
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God is God, "religion" is POLITICS.

Man's SYSTEM (piety, religiosity) is prudish, empirical and bureaucratic.


Humanity is TEMPORAL/temporary (measuring "time"). Mankind is MANY, "God is ONE"/integral...ALL ONE.

Our/human words and language cannot express GOD (the divine).

We humans are DIVIDED, not INTEGRAL and only perceive reality according to empiricism (measuring and weighing all things.....TIME is a measurement.


In Luke 4:5, when Jesus was in the desert 40 days, the goal was that He would BE TEMPTED, so satan couldn't just SHOW Jesus all the kingdoms of man, satan had to show them in a moment/matter (from the reference point/standpoint of TIME)....

Luke 4:5 RSV...
"in a moment of TIME".
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God is God, "religion" is POLITICS.

Man's SYSTEM (piety, religiosity) is prudish, empirical and bureaucratic.


Humanity is TEMPORAL/temporary (measuring "time"). Mankind is MANY, "God is ONE"/integral...ALL ONE.

Our/human words and language cannot express GOD (the divine).

We humans are DIVIDED, not INTEGRAL and only perceive reality according to empiricism (measuring and weighing all things.....TIME is a measurement.


In Luke 4:5, when Jesus was in the desert 40 days, the goal was that He would BE TEMPTED, so satan couldn't just SHOW Jesus all the kingdoms of man, satan had to show them in a moment/matter (from the reference point/standpoint of TIME)....

Luke 4:5 RSV...
"in a moment of TIME".
So is it alright for you for many churches to exist ? That each person will be judged separately, and not based on religious Christian affiliation ?

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Can we use the Holy Bible only and traditions that conform to the Bible.
No. 1) The Bible never says to go by it alone, that is an Evangelical invention 2) I do not go by the Bible alone
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No. 1) The Bible never says to go by it alone, that is an Evangelical invention 2) I do not go by the Bible alone
But the Bible and tradition should not contradict,or does it ?

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No. We are divided by opinion and experience.

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Are we divided by terminology, exclusivity, limited doctrine ?

I noticed we are divided by Terminology like Trinity, rapture. Use of other sources other than the Bible, focusing on Sabbath, one name of God etc.

Here is my suggestion :

Can we accept God as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is One God ?
Can we use 1 Thes. 4:16,17 and 1 Corinthians 15:52-54 instead of rapture ?
Can we use the Holy Bible only and traditions that conform to the Bible.
Can we agree that focusing on the Sabbath is focusing on law, that now we have a greater law , the Law of grace, Christ and the Spirit ?
Can we agree that Jehovah is only one name of God, and that we have more like Elohim, Adonai, El Shaddai ?
Can we agree that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and as a result of that we do good works because that is what we are designed to do ? (Ephesians 2:8-10)
Can we forget the past division like Catholics and Protestants terms and use church of God ?
Can we love one another as Christ love the church, and gave Himself for us ?
Can we ?
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No. We are divided by opinion and experience.
If that is the case, then opinion should be replaced by truth. If experience divides us, then does the one who gets more experience should prevail ? If by experience, then the Catholics have the most experience.

When I was searching for church, I came across the claims of Joseph Smith, he too was searching for church, so he asked the divine being he saw. He was told not to join any of them because they are abomination. So Joseph Smith started his own together with Brigham Young and somewhere along the line aside from the Bible , they got the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price and the Doctrine and Covenants. Is it not from the beginning the Mormons separated themselves from mainstream Christianity ?

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"CHURCH" is not JESUS nor is it JEHOVAH/ALMIGHTY, nor is it SALVATION, nor is it ETERNAL LIFE, nor is it HOLY SPIRIT, etc..

We have to make DISTINCTIONS and set our priorities. Our goal for DEVOTION is to be devoted to God through Jesus ("devotion" and "worship" must be THE SAME THING, God is integral, God is one).

God should not be meaningful to "True worshipers" (John 4:23) as an EXTERNAL force/entity, God should become INTERNAL to True worshipers.

"CHURCH" is a word that refers to something that JEWS had (today, God is PERSONAL, not CORPORATE). God must be INNER, not outer/external to each of us.

...."His spirit in the INNER MAN".....the "innermost" soul.

Who or what is YOUR worship for?.....

"BIBLE" or GOD?

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But the Bible and tradition should not contradict,or does it ?

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That is in the eye of the beholder and Holy Tradition will never contradict. The Bible does not determine truth the Church does and you will not find everything in the Bible, it was never meant for that.
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Are we divided by terminology, exclusivity, limited doctrine ?

I noticed we are divided by Terminology like Trinity, rapture. Use of other sources other than the Bible, focusing on Sabbath, one name of God etc.

Here is my suggestion :

Can we accept God as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is One God ?
Can we use 1 Thes. 4:16,17 and 1 Corinthians 15:52-54 instead of rapture ?
Can we use the Holy Bible only and traditions that conform to the Bible.
Can we agree that focusing on the Sabbath is focusing on law, that now we have a greater law , the Law of grace, Christ and the Spirit ?
Can we agree that Jehovah is only one name of God, and that we have more like Elohim, Adonai, El Shaddai ?
Can we agree that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and as a result of that we do good works because that is what we are designed to do ? (Ephesians 2:8-10)
Can we forget the past division like Catholics and Protestants terms and use church of God ?
Can we love one another as Christ love the church, and gave Himself for us ?
Can we ?
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It is not a matter of those things which divide us, it is however, a matter of those things which we all have in common, those things which do and should bring us together.

Regardless of the Denomination, all Christian denominations do in fact profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior do they not?


Jesus Christ Himself said,

Luk 9:49,50
49) And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50) And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.


Wasn't Jesus saying, don't worry about diversity?


Paul said.

Php 1:15-18
15) Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16) The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17) But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18) What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.


Paul again speaks to us.

Eph 4:1-7
1) I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2) With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3) Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7) But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.


Therefore the sum of the matter is.

Mat 13:24-30
24) Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25) But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26) But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27) So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28) He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29) But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30) Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.


God has everything under control, He is the one who will determine who are the true Followers of Christ and who are not, He will separate the Tares from the Wheat, the Sheep from the Goats, this is not something which we should worry about.


Tit 2:11-15
11) For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12) Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13) Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14) Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15) These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Rom. 14:3
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.



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