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Old 10-14-2017, 10:21 AM
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Baptism with the Holy Spirit, sadly, as some relic written off as ‘don’t bother with it’, ‘it’s not meant to be discussed’, ‘it’s too high’ isn’t an especially a good report but is a true report of the fruit expressed.

Time-out, take-five. The Baptizer is “closer than a brother”, isn’t He? If He is, then so is His teaching to baptize, and if His teaching to baptize is so near, then so is the possibility to error away from it, or what surely must be, mis-applying appropriate conformity to it.

In light of such obtrusive unwillingness to discuss (I also have deferred the subject), the time has come for this sub-forum to finally provide the truth, isn’t it? Baptism in the Holy Spirit is essential to the success of Christianity, but it is glaringly clear people absolutely refuse to examine this openly and the modern Church is ripe to reject by conveniently snipping away the greatest Gift she was ever shown, our power from on high; neatly packaged and reduced to be merely our Comforter for men here down below.

So then, most of us know the scriptures concerning all this, what is it we have denied ourselves from? Oh yeah, unwilling readership. I’ll go ahead and kick-off one item that seems paramount to much of the refusal that serves such denial,

At this point, we have carved ourselves into a full departmentalized Church, cascading divisions which I believe are taking their sweet time over this one particular item.

The One Baptism of Christ

Notice, won’t you, the difference here from the ‘union’ or Baptism of the Spirit ‘into Christ’, and the ‘Baptism of the Spirit’ into the supernatural capacity are two very close but obviously very different endowments. One brings us together before Him, one brings us up to His ideals by and through Him. If this seems so hard to accept because of controversies that have risen, say on if you think it possible.

For there are many scriptures that show men receive the Spirit in a measure at the new birth and that these were blessings but are not the Baptism of the Spirit. Jesus said, "not yet" (John 7:37-39), but, if it came to be that we of the adoption of that 'union of the Spirit' decided to wage into all that the disciples had by the Spirit before that day of Pentecost, we would be here all night detailing everything they did prior to receiving the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, they were supernatural and insightful things. For it was said in the scriptures they were, ,
"Anointed" to preach
teach
cast out demons
baptized others in water
kept God's word
had eternal life
experienced spiritual revelations
received the "glory" of God
learned to pray
healed people
were "branches" and in the "vine", ,
, all before being baptized in the Spirit.

“Mary was 'filled" with the Spirit before Jesus was born, but she was baptized in the Spirit 33 years later at Pentecost.
(Luke 1:41-56; Acts 1:12-2:4)” - Please note, consigned, co-authored or corporate-authoring and or unless otherwise advised are unknown

“The sole purpose of the Spirit Baptism is to endue men with power from on high, , Christ plainly taught that such an enduement was necessary to confirm the word of God (Mark 16:20;Hebrews 2:3,4); to continue the things "that Jesus began to both do and teach"(Acts 1:1,2; Matthew 28:20); to make successful witnesses (Acts 1:8); and to prove men to be true believers and divinely sent to represent God (Mark 16:15-20; John 14:12).”

Although we are to lead “quiet and peaceable lives”, it isn’t meant to be in willing absence of being “strong in the Lord and the power of His might”.

“If the chief purpose of the Spirit-baptism is to endue men to accomplish what is stated, , then it is the all important experience of believers today if they want to be successful in gospel work. Jesus commanded His disciples to teach all nations throughout this age “to observe ALL things whatsoever I have commanded you” (Matt 28:20). That being baptized in the Spirit it still is commanded of men, for we are still in this age. Such an enduement of power for service is promised to every believer in the most simple language possible (Matt 3:11; Lk 11:13; 24:49; John 1:31-34; 7:37-39; 14:12-17, 26; 15:26; 16:13-15; Mk 16:15-20; Acts 1:4-8; 2:16-21, 38-39; 5:32; 19:1-7).

Scriptures Back Away or Include Enduement?
He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
(Galations 3:14)
One simple can’t say the promise mentioned is narrowly confined to salvation with regard to all Holy Spirit referencing towards this age of the Church.
“ἵνα … ἵνα … Two gracious purposes of the Redeemer are here coupled together: (1) the extension of the blessing to Gentiles as well as Jews; (2) the outpouring of the Spirit upon those that embraced the faith of Christ.” - Expositor's Greek Testament

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Old 10-16-2017, 04:38 AM
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Thus says the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker,
Ask me of things to come concerning my sons,
and concerning the work of my hands, you command me.

(Isaiah 45:11)
Often cited for those whom are Baptized with the Holy Spirit.

"For one to receive this power today is even more needful, for there are infinitely more demon possessed people, more sick and diseased people, more false doctrines, more false teachers, and more divisions among Christians than at any other time in history."

Is 45:11: It seems to me, , that the word 'command' is here to be taken rather as indicating the privilege of his people to present their desires in the language of fervent and respectful petition; and that God here indicates that he would, so to speak, allow them to direct him; that he would hear their prayers, and would conform the events of his administration to their wishes and their welfare. This is the most obvious interpretation; and this will perhaps suit the connection as well as any other. Instead of complaining, and opposing his administration Isaiah 45:9-10, it was their privilege to come before him and spread out their needs, and even to give direction in regard to future events, so far as the events of his administration would bear on them, and he would meet their desires. - Barnes
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Old 12-15-2017, 03:58 AM
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I don’t wish to deemphasize anyone’s point whatsoever that directs us to the truth, that the indication of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit is a separate distinction from the new "Commonwealth" in Christ (Eph 2:12).

If it’s true, Baptism in the Holy Spirit is essential to the success of Christianity, but it continues to be confirmed, people are not comfortable with the Holy Spirit in the modern Church. And has for far too long been comfortable to reject subjecting themselves to the second greatest Gift she was ever shown, then why aren’t there more set to verbalize refute, because they would rather sit and steam.

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The major under-utilization of the Holy Spirit in the believers in Christ of the church today is the one truly major reason that the spiritual church is in such bad shape in this day and age. It is the reason the early church was so powerful and unable to be squelched by those in power who hated it. Simply wanting to follow Christ isnt enough to build and enhance the church, but only able to keep it from dying as quickly.
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The major under-utilization of the Holy Spirit in the believers in Christ of the church today is the one truly major reason that the spiritual church is in such bad shape in this day and age. It is the reason the early church was so powerful and unable to be squelched by those in power who hated it. Simply wanting to follow Christ isnt enough to build and enhance the church, but only able to keep it from dying as quickly.
A fine comment and clearly understood sir!

If, in fact a condensed overview could be held with like regard by a fielding of preferential oversight, maybe, as though a spiritual guide itself, the thoroughfare of illicit insight that facilitated this exit and filter off the free-flow designs of expression handed down has me wondering if they weren’t overzealous to secure the scriptural record of outcome verses initiation? For instance,

We know the Apostle did well-say if all spoke in tongues they would think of as mad-men, right? No, not fully right!

That is the outcome, not the initiation. For how soon we forget when the Holy Spirit entered, in too many instances what happened?, , they “all” spoke with tongues. Of course, this is not to be confused with the other possibility that all might not (1 Corinthians 12:30), and furthermore not to be confused with my central point, all in this case are not "mad". Outcome verses initiation.

Interesting points you bring.

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Now concerning tongues, just one of the gifts, there are 2 major types, one very useful in foreign missions, and that is speaking in foreign tongues when you have no knowledge of the language, but able to speak that language to reach out to those there that mainly understand that specific language, like at that time perhaps the Persian language. Its useful to be able to share our faith with those who dont understand english or whatever our home language is. The other tongues gift that most speak of is the language of angels and it only edifies ourselves and of course the Lord if we are praising Him. Thats why its the lesser gift, it doesnt help the church so much as enlivens the individuals that speak it.
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Now concerning tongues, just one of the gifts, there are 2 major types, one very useful in foreign missions, and that is speaking in foreign tongues when you have no knowledge of the language, but able to speak that language to reach out to those there that mainly understand that specific language, like at that time perhaps the Persian language. Its useful to be able to share our faith with those who dont understand english or whatever our home language is. The other tongues gift that most speak of is the language of angels and it only edifies ourselves and of course the Lord if we are praising Him. Thats why its the lesser gift, it doesnt help the church so much as enlivens the individuals that speak it.
As continued thought on the second form you mentioned, , While true as a solitary gift for private use and isn’t on par with prophesy, fundamentally without question specifically for the user and him alone, I ask to consider; if we could see for only a moment what happens when that gift reached its fullest potential from those spoken “mysteries” being directed to God, I can’t quite say with certainty what limits should be expected from the user’s impact on the church when that potential was finally secured? In reality, isn’t it allowable to expect more? Shouldn’t we no matter how possible we think, expect such edification to “enliven” some other manifested gift or talent in that Christian that would impact the church? For if it’s true that the lesser gift might enable more for the church, personally, I would think advantageous, even honorable before the Father to be made up of the fullest expectance possible, albeit cares and defenses intact.
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God only gives "good" gifts, so tongues are a goodly gift and profitable to have. As to its level of power to influence, I am unaware, as I dont have the gift to my knowledge. But I have no doubt that any spiritual gift from God used to overflowing in the right way, can be VERY powerful.
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Baptism with the Holy Ghost, 2018. Yuck, what a mess and to think, such a courageous Church to accept a proven identity; The Trinity! What happened to you on this one?

If the Lord can initiate the reasoning that led to the widely accepted term from many scriptures, why is this one subjected to such polarization?

People do one or the other with spiritual baptism; they either repel or overcome the distinction. The Baptism of the Spirit ‘into Christ’, and the ‘Baptism of the Spirit’ into the supernatural capacity are two very close but obviously very different endowments as many scriptures show.

The success of this senior contention thus-far arrived from both fails to impress me. And don’t even step in it further by the 'gospel' of disjointed unity, another topic that nullifies drawing near.

God the Trinity, Baptism the Binary, It remains the binary Baptism of one Spirit to the glory of God
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Not quite understanding what you are saying. Can you say it a bit more simply?
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