[Rose]

Should abortion legally remain a choice between a woman, her husband and her physician even if it is believed to be immoral by a majority of citizens within a given body politic? Should it in fact be an issue on the political scene at all?

Many women choose not to support Sarah Palin because of her stance on this issue. Very rarely does anyone including such women ever say they are "pro abortion" but rather they are "pro choice"--is there a difference? Would these people be more prone to support her and her other views if her "pro life" stance was not brought to light? The question here is whether this one issue should determine our feelings toward the candidate that we choose to support.

[Latreia]

Perhaps it might clarify things a bit more if put another
way:

Should the right to have children be a political issue?

Should there be laws about how children are to be
raised or which couples may have children and which
may not be allowed to have babies?

How far into the personal affairs of American citizens
should the government intervene?

Abortion is not a political issue, in reality. It is most
certainly a moral and ethical issue, a religious issue,
an inviolate personal issue which must be evaluated
on individual levels of ability and income.

Let the religious community offer solutions and alternate
choices; too many young girls and confused women
need supportive help from the medical communities.

Bearing children must also assume complete
responsibility for the lives those babies will have.
We are seeing horrendous results from the failures
of social services and official child welfare agencies
to protect both babies and children from abuse,
torture, starvation, and death.

Billions of dollars are being reaped, world-wide, in the
trafficking of children and women for prostitution,
slavery, torture, and certain death. Nothing has been
successful in eliminating this bestial practice. The main
reasons are due to governmental involvement and
total complicity through official corruption.

How can we justify our insistance that every baby must
be born when nobody on earth can guarantee that it
will be loved and nurtured?

Almost every serial killer, sadistic rapist, and child
molesters were abused as children. Should women
be forced to bear such criminals, regardless of the
consequences?

Pro-Life advocates really need to get their priorities
in proper order. Let them carry their concerns and
protest signs to the sources of child abuse first.



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"I believe in Christianity as I believe that
the sun has risen:
not only because I see it,
but because by it I see everything else."
~ C. S. Lewis

[gruvEdude]

Originally Posted by Rose

Should abortion legally remain a choice between a woman, her husband and her physician even if it is believed to be immoral by a majority of citizens within a given body politic? The question here is whether this one issue should determine our feelings toward the candidate that we choose to support.

While murder of another human is definately wrong, abortion is not the only difference in this election. I have only voted for 1 democrat since Reagan (a pinochle friend for reelection at the polls.) Dems just aren't JFK's any longer.

[journey]

I am very ignorant when it comes to politics....I have just began to pay attention to what is going on in the last 10 years.

I do know that abortion is wrong. If God knows us before we are in our mothers womb...then we are meant to be here. The sad thing is that at this stage(mothers womb) we have no say in that matter. It is left up to the adults.

How do we know that we are not killing the ones to bring in the cure for cancer...the next Elijah...etc. What were those suppose to be that have been murdered before they had a chance to know.

As far as politics and abortion....I vote my moral convictions because I do not know that much about politics. I admire anyone that speaks up for what is right(the word of God).

The question here is whether this one issue should determine our feelings toward the candidate that we choose to support....It is obviously not the only issue or reason not to vote for Obama however if it were the only reason I would say yes it would be a very huge reason not to vote for Obama. As a christian if we would be willing to compromise in this area of our christianity where else are we also willing to compromise. The church today has grown complacent and much of what is going on today is because the church has lost a passion and devotion to Jesus and has become too comfortable with the things of the world!

[ChuckyBadAzzYaDigg]

I think that woman shouldn't have an abortion because if they lay down and have sex and they become pregant then should accept it and have tha kid and then the two should about givin it to the orphange and that no one is killed....................LOL

[Ciaran]

Originally Posted by ChuckyBadAzzYaDigg

I think that woman shouldn't have an abortion because if they lay down and have sex and they become pregant then should accept it and have tha kid and then the two should about givin it to the orphange and that no one is killed....................LOL

And what if this woman is raped?

[Mark]

And what if this woman is raped?

No - rape is not an excuse for abortion. Rape is an unfortunate circumstance (for lack of better words) with many undesirable consequences. "Healing" from this involves prayer and closeness with God - not murder. People all over the world are put into "unfair" and very hard situations - overcoming these situations (and/or learning to deal with them) ultimately involves prayer - not sinful behavior.

It's a requirement of a Christian while here on Earth - doing what is right even if it is not always desirable or convenient for our own purposes. If you have been raped, and you become pregnant... you must remain strong and obedient to God... have the child and pray constantly for answers. God rewards diligences and obedience... He can turn any situation around for the better. Your child may end up finding a cure for cancer.

[Ciaran]

Mark, how can you say that?
I know it is a terrible thing to consider, but imagine if your wife was raped.
What would you want to do? Obviously you would want justice and those who committed the crime to be punished, but what if your wife got pregnant because of it?
Would you want her to have the baby? Someone else's baby that she was forced to have?
You can't just say 'You should remain obedient to God, and everything will turn out alright'. You have no idea what it is like to be raped, do you? The psychological as well as physical trauma that you suffer can be unimaginable. If you then add the element of pregnancy, it can be completely unbearable, especially with a community that is pushing you to do something you don't want to do.
Have a good, long think about what you said, and consider whether it was your opinion that you were stating, or someone else's.

[Mark]

Mark, how can you say that?

It's the truth - abortion is a sin and sin must be opposed "regardless" the circumstance.. this is not "fair" or easy.. it's just the Christian teaching.

I know it is a terrible thing to consider, but imagine if your wife was raped. What would you want to do? Obviously you would want justice and those who committed the crime to be punished, but what if your wife got pregnant because of it?

It would **** me off... I'd want to kill the person that did it. But right and wrong do not change based on my emotional state - or any circumstance. Blasphemy, for example, is always a sin... it doesn't matter the situation.

Would you want her to have the baby? Someone else's baby that she was forced to have

What "I want" is not the question... opposing sin regardless the situation is what we are talking about. Doing what is right is rarely easy, desirable, fair, etc. A solider jumping on a grenade to save others, for example, is not "desirable," "fair," or "easy." As a Christian, we must always oppose sin regardless the situation (even if it kills us). This life is not meant to be easy - obeying God is not easy.

You can't just say 'You should remain obedient to God, and everything will turn out alright'

Absolutely! Remember, death is NOT the end... that's a core belief in our faith. It may not "all work out" while you're on Earth (but in retrospect, that's a short time). Obedience in hard time builds character and brings us closer to God - in the end, that is all that matters... not what "we think is best for us now".

You have no idea what it is like to be raped, do you? The psychological as well as physical trauma that you suffer can be unimaginable

Actually, I do... My wife was sexually molested by her father (multiple times). This is the worse form of rape.... I witnessed the hell she went through during her road to recovery (I could write a book about that).... I also watched God heal her - through her obedience... a true miracle. So no, I'm not just speaking out of ignorance... I get it.

I understand that it's "hard" (nearly impossible sometimes) to do the right thing... but from a theological perspective, a sin does not become "ok" just because it's hard... As a Christian, we must always 'strive' to do the "right thing" - even if it kills us. I'm not judging people that fall short of this... and I believe God takes things into consideration. But what is wrong remains wrong regardless the situation.

Last thing I want to say on this has to do with a "political perspective" ... if we made a legal exception to abortion for "rape cases," then undoubtedly countless women would start screaming 'rape' just so they could have the abortion (even if they weren't really raped)... that would lead to disaster.