[PastorFranszwa]

ABORTION or MURDER or Disobedient
GOD says :
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; [ GOD did not says, and exterminate or kill it; ]
1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you know that you yourselves are
God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:17 If anyone destroys God's temple,[ any witch way ]
God will destroy him/her; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple.
Romans 8:11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit,
who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
1 Corinthians 6:20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
1 Corinthians 6:13 "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"
but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality,
but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
Ephesians 5:5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy personsuch a man is an idolaterhas any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words,
for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth,
there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins,
Matthew 12:31 And so I t ell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men,
but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Exodus 21:22-23-24
Isaiah 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.

The only place we see the penalty for causing an abortion is at Ex 21:22,23. Here the scriptures say that if a fatal accident occurs, there would be life for life. This shows God's feelings for the unborn. This is talking about the life of an unborn infant. The guilty would forfeit his life.There are a couple of places that are very interesting to me, also, Jere 1:5. Here God shows that He knows, at least some humans before they are born. What do you think of God's feelings about anyone who cut off Jeremiah"s life??Also at Ps 139:13-16, where David is extolling God for the wonderful way man is made. David says that God knew him, even as an embryo, and all his parts were written down in God's book. God would not appreciate anyone removing someone from His book, by an ABORTION!!!!

[CatholicCrusader]

I believe abortion is murder.

Abortion is murder. When we talk to the hardened unsaved, they love to say that god was a murderer in the OT. And when you ask them about abortion, they think its ok.

[Linsinbigler]

Originally Posted by Heneni

Abortion is murder. When we talk to the hardened unsaved, they love to say that god was a murderer in the OT. And when you ask them about abortion, they think its ok.

Good point. For a lot so concerned with Christian hypocrisy, they sure have a tendency to ignore their own.

Originally Posted by Linsinbigler

Good point. For a lot so concerned with Christian hypocrisy, they sure have a tendency to ignore their own.

True. You will also find that some cant handle a god who 'murdered' people in the OT, but they are for the death sentence. LOL

I use to know a lady who would not eat meat. She considered it animal cruelty to slaughter animals for the sake of a steak, or a chicken breast or a hake fillet. But she too thought abortion was a womens choice.

There is this scripture in the bible...cant recall where it is now...where it says 'god created evil'. That is one of the reasons some cant love god they say.

When you ask them if they have ever done anything evil and liked it, they wont answer. Because they would have to admit that they actually digg evil. And would have to thank god rather than dislike him for it.

Heneni

[CatholicCrusader]

[Lachlan09]

I think we’re agreed that the pro-/anti-abortion debate is explosive. I note that this thread uses abortion/murder as a title, which doesn’t really brook debate, it’s already decided.

I don’t like termination/abortion either when asked as a stand-alone yes/no one word answer.

However, life isn’t that simple is it ?

There are cases where pregnancy is terminated out of convenience. That is wrong. There are cases where pregnancy is terminated out of serious health risk to the woman. I believe if it is necessary to save the woman’s life, then surely there’s little choice unless you let the woman die.

Controversially, there is the circumstance which occurs when the medical staff know well in advance that if the pregnancy goes full-term, the baby will be born with serious defects. What to do ? Can we say the child would have no quality of life ? On our terms we might say yes, but how about on the baby’s terms ? I think this is the hardest category to decide upon. Yes it’s so convenient to say “terminate” thinking ahead to all the extra work, sleepless nights, crippling hospital and other expenses. But do we have the right to say “terminate” ? Even if the decision was endorsed by every surgeon and counselor in the planet, you might always feel you had played God if you said “terminate” and ask yourself if you were just being self-centred about impending disruption to your comfortable life. Maybe even feel like Doctor Mengele. I can’t answer for other people, the rights and wrongs in this case.

However, over-population is something else. Abortion as a method of population control is of course unacceptable, but so is over-population in this world of shrinking resources. To enforce population control is very difficult and the responsible countries which would participate would soon find many countries ignoring any such initiative.

The Republic of China made it illegal to have more than one child. But then, I remember when I first started going to the Philippines, the population was about 64 million. Now it’s about 85 million. That’s 20 million extra in 16 years. One of my wife’s younger sisters has 6 little kids and there were times when we would visit, she’d popped out another one we knew nothing about, father’s identity in doubt. Six kids and no husband, no money.

My wife herself came from a family of 9 children, 10 if you include the brother who was stabbed to death in a fight. Her father (who I liked a lot) was invalided, mother did any scraps of work. My wife dropped out of school early to work to get money to the family and see the one younger smartest sister through college. The rest got pregnant and popped out kids like popcorn. No jobs, husbands (not formally) – all able bodied but not working or even looking, totally lazy. All looking to my wife to feed them.

They don't know any better. Acting by instinct and with the church's approval.

Then I come along, like a grand lottery prize. I am the milk-cow, the gravy-train. They sponge off me and pop out more little kids all the while. Even the smart sister quits college when she becomes pregnant. I tried to look at the consdierable thousands of pounds I gave them over the years as some sort of charitable act, but it’s hard to feel charitable when you discover a lot of my hard-earned money went on these people gambling cards, mah jonng and chasing the dragon with shabu (meth-amphetamine).

Poverty and pregnancy seem to go hand in hand in certain countries, including some Christian ones.

Uncontrolled pregnancy is the curse of the Philippines, though contraceptives and birth-control devices (other than Vatican Roulette) are actively discouraged by the majority church of the Philippines and adherent political figures, such as a Mayor of Manila who banned contraceptives and closed down well-woman clinic birth control services. Idiot.

[MotherGoose]

I believe abortion is morally wrong. I hesitate to actually call it murder.

[SolaVerbumDei]

I do not hesitate!