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Old 06-14-2015, 06:50 AM
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LGBT & SS-Marriage says God is love. Indeed:
“The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.” (1 John 4:8)
Not trying to be foxy here, I think we know to who and what foxy belongs.

But somehow, somewhere, they have conveniently dropped the other crucial aspect of God’s character as though love itself would blot out God’s holiness. But granting sinful convenience may not be all that is at work here. Even desperation to enable a chosen lifestyle may not be wholly to blame.

True, principalities/powers, seducing spirits, damnable heresies are at work. Yet ultimately, a choice finally confronts every man who shall also give account for what he has done. Make no mistake, it may seem like a game to these now, but will realize the God who is love, will be shocked to find He is also “holy” upon judgment day. And that time is just ahead!
“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,' who was, and is, and is to come” (Revelation 4:8, and many many others)
Where do you suppose this lie of God not being holy originated from, and do you think there is way to bring that back for them to account for it??

Yes, at breakneck speed, a growing number of Churches are caving to the pressure to include this perversion. They may not be the only ones of originating justification of the sin, but they had better recognize they are the only ones to initiate claim to lost holy-ground.

Your comments would be appreciated. Thanks.

Mike.
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Old 06-14-2015, 08:55 AM
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People have introduced (invented, imagined, etc.) their own definitions of love and holiness, which do not fit what is described in scripture... if a person is able and willing to understand scripture as God intended.

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:20-21

So how is it then that man in his frailty and ignorance and selfishness is able to understand what God had written for his benefit? Was this not a primary purpose, if not the first purpose, of outpouring the Holy Ghost?

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." Acts 1:8

But people now, as in times past, have turned their heads away from God and toward themselves and their own pleasures and comforts.

Once they had no comforter, but now the Comforter surely is here!

"So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of such as were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors there was power; but they had no comforter." Ecc:1

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

God is certainly love and He is certainly holiness, but too many do not know what those things really are...
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Old 06-14-2015, 10:06 AM
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All of God's attributes is Love, just not human love which changes as much as the temperature. God's Justice is also out of Love. God's laws is out of Love, all things of God, in human view both good and bad, is all good and purposeful to complete the perfect Love of God. Man who values the flesh above the spirit (which holds our true value) see's all pain and suffering of the body as the greatest evil, when the greatest evil is calling God evil if He doesnt do things OUR way! That is true evil.
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The "God is love" argument ignores what John meant by love. He didn’t mean any form of sexual love. The Greeks had several words for love and in 1John 4:8 he uses agape.

In Wkipedia, under Eros, it says eros is one of the four words in Ancient Greek which can be rendered into English as “love”. The other three are storge, philia, and agape. Eros refers to “intimate love” or romantic love; storge to familial love; philia to friendship as a kind of love; and agape refers to “selfless love”, or “charity” as it is translated in the Christian scriptures (from the Latin caritas, dearness) .

It says under Agape:
Agape developed in Christian theology as the love of God or Christ for humankind. In the New Testament, it refers to the covenant love of God for humans, as well as the human reciprocal love for God; the term necessarily extends to the love of one's fellow man.] Although the word does not have a specific religious connotation, it has been used by a variety of contemporary and ancient sources, including biblical authors and Christian authors
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All of God's attributes is Love, just not human love which changes as much as the temperature. God's Justice is also out of Love. God's laws is out of Love, all things of God, in human view both good and bad, is all good and purposeful to complete the perfect Love of God. Man who values the flesh above the spirit (which holds our true value) see's all pain and suffering of the body as the greatest evil, when the greatest evil is calling God evil if He doesnt do things OUR way! That is true evil.
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The "God is love" argument ignores what John meant by love. He didn’t mean any form of sexual love. The Greeks had several words for love and in 1John 4:8 he uses agape.

In Wkipedia, under Eros, it says eros is one of the four words in Ancient Greek which can be rendered into English as “love”. The other three are storge, philia, and agape. Eros refers to “intimate love” or romantic love; storge to familial love; philia to friendship as a kind of love; and agape refers to “selfless love”, or “charity” as it is translated in the Christian scriptures (from the Latin caritas, dearness) .

It says under Agape:
Agape developed in Christian theology as the love of God or Christ for humankind. In the New Testament, it refers to the covenant love of God for humans, as well as the human reciprocal love for God; the term necessarily extends to the love of one's fellow man.] Although the word does not have a specific religious connotation, it has been used by a variety of contemporary and ancient sources, including biblical authors and Christian authors
Right. God is Agape. We are in delusional and manipulative times. I will tell you how delusional a time it is: that we think that most people even care what the Bible teaches. People just form opinions and hold them as divine opinions, for they are self-appointed deities. God isn't on the radar.
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LGBT & SS-Marriage says God is love. Indeed:
“The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.” (1 John 4:8)
Not trying to be foxy here, I think we know to who and what foxy belongs.

But somehow, somewhere, they have conveniently dropped the other crucial aspect of God’s character as though love itself would blot out God’s holiness. But granting sinful convenience may not be all that is at work here. Even desperation to enable a chosen lifestyle may not be wholly to blame.

True, principalities/powers, seducing spirits, damnable heresies are at work. Yet ultimately, a choice finally confronts every man who shall also give account for what he has done. Make no mistake, it may seem like a game to these now, but will realize the God who is love, will be shocked to find He is also “holy” upon judgment day. And that time is just ahead!
“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,' who was, and is, and is to come” (Revelation 4:8, and many many others)
Where do you suppose this lie of God not being holy originated from, and do you think there is way to bring that back for them to account for it??

Yes, at breakneck speed, a growing number of Churches are caving to the pressure to include this perversion. They may not be the only ones of originating justification of the sin, but they had better recognize they are the only ones to initiate claim to lost holy-ground.

Your comments would be appreciated. Thanks.

Mike.
Decades before homosexuality became en vogue, we had already let in other sins of Gomorrah, namely promiscuity, adultery (if the other spouse is ok with it, then eh?). I have always hated that English, one of the most bountiful languages in terms of vocabulary, only has one word for "love." That people would suggest that Jesus' edict to "love one another" could apply to a promiscuous orgy is disgusting. But we are trying to talk rationally in a world that has gone complete INSANE. We now no longer have male/female as genders, but a perverted 12 year old kid can walk into a girl's locker room and claim that he is "female at heart" just to get a few glances as the girl's undressed bodies. Christianity took root because it won the publicity war of the first few centuries. Martyrs were willing to die rather than to give consent to abominations.
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Right. God is Agape. We are in delusional and manipulative times. I will tell you how delusional a time it is: that we think that most people even care what the Bible teaches. People just form opinions and hold them as divine opinions, for they are self-appointed deities. God isn't on the radar.
Amen! I wish that it were not so. Perhaps all of us have done this or even still do it to fill in a seemingly empty space until something better is encountered. This is a dangerous way to proceed as we don't know how much time we have left.
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People have introduced (invented, imagined, etc.) their own definitions of love and holiness, which do not fit what is described in scripture... if a person is able and willing to understand scripture as God intended.

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:20-21

So how is it then that man in his frailty and ignorance and selfishness is able to understand what God had written for his benefit? Was this not a primary purpose, if not the first purpose, of outpouring the Holy Ghost?

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." Acts 1:8

But people now, as in times past, have turned their heads away from God and toward themselves and their own pleasures and comforts.

Once they had no comforter, but now the Comforter surely is here!

"So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of such as were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors there was power; but they had no comforter." Ecc:1

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

God is certainly love and He is certainly holiness, but too many do not know what those things really are...

I believe this very hour, many of our brothers and sisters are at that point of decision making in their lives which will have a disastrous effect on their walk with the Lord. They are pulled away by a number of enticements. They are brokenhearted, and coming into conclusions of defeat by the droves which in our world today will open its arms to the lost souls of bewilderment.
“knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.” (I Peter 5:9)
Temptations, and the ability to recognize them isn’t necessarily a finely tuned spiritual enablement. Christians themselves also enter the gateway of spiritual learning by first-steps to be blessed of God to increase their spirituality.
“I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able, for you are still fleshly.” (1 Corinthians 3:1-3)
For those at that place of introduction into the life of Christ, the level of instruction should remain there with only milk to drink. For even then, it is my belief he is in line to receive from the Lord:
“For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.” (Hebrews 2:18)
When we say temptations and knowing them when they come, just so we can take action and resist is half the battle. Temptation is no easy fellow. It has multi-phase stages of recovering from their hold. But, a proper recognition should be awarded to that unworthy opponent.
“No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man” (1 Corinthians 10:13A)
Yet, our lives aren’t given the same benefit as is cultures past in regard to temptation. Meaning, the remotely moral individual living in America say in the 1700’s wanting something better against a persistent temptation was surrounded by a Christian presence from top down. The temptation here of course is to place blame on these difficulties facing us, and not on the choices we make. A better choice still exist for us now just as it was for our forbearers. But again, those who struggled back then was much more apt to take part in the indulgent norm to petition help from the Almighty’s procedure:
“Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed.”
(James 5:16)

“God is faithful, and He will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation He will also provide a way of escape so that you are able to bear it.” (I Corinthians 10:13B)
For instance, back then, the people expected our judges and attorneys to rule by the will of God, which is why the biblically-based Blackstone law commentary became a solid standard. Sin didn’t spring to life to only be given safe harbor as it is today. People had contentment and a conscience of expectations that pointed everyone back to the source of that contentment, the gospel of Jesus Christ.
You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. – George Washington
Today, the effects of temptation is multi-layered, harsh to resistance, and hates to be reminded of the truth contained in God’s word concerning it. Basically, they don’t want to acknowledge the culture God has granted to us; that we have the same exact sins since the beginning of the rebellious fall against God with a fluctuating level of agreement from the people on entertaining repenting from them or not. Coming into temptation back then was singular, generally speaking, and most certainly in the U.S. culture, expected as solitary.

For instance, when we say ‘Resist the temptation of pornography’, or back then “artistic license” which many times suspends moral judgments due to continued exposure. A porn publisher would not have even seen the first issue finish delivery or been allowed in the marketplace before being subjected to a full-steam of shame to his reputation. There is no question in my mind to the ground we have lost. Their resolve was surely forceful with the merits within scripture, such as:
“I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Matthew 5:28)
Still, the reality check tells us they didn’t have a culture to:
• Elevate it above the scriptural description
• Turn the knowledge of sin into justification of art
• Ignore the Spirit’s conflict with the unbridled natural appetites of the flesh
The conscience of the people had free reign to say “No” in that culture. They were actively involved in agreeing with the scriptures:
“Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,” (Hebrews 12:1)

“Rend your heart and not your garments. Return to the LORD your God, for he is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and abounding in love, and he relents from sending calamity.” (Joel2:13)

“Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble…”(II Peter 1:10)
Today, the conscience is enslaved 360*. For maximum consideration, the very minimum moral thoughts of any individual that isn’t satisfied with the rewards of porn and wants to mount up some sort of resistance, is hit mercilessly with a full scale, top-down heathenistic assault. This is one avenue where we see the phrase, “Culture of Corruption” used. That tender conviction is attacked with such moral atrocities such as “freedom of expression”, where once it sought shelter under “freedom of speech”, can’t find a worthy populace to keep it there and kept out of the hands of the ethically bankrupt. They are hit with grooming places for sensual pleasures from the working knowledge of:
• Unethical Gov’t influences
• Liberal Church influences
• Acquaintance frustrations
• Nagging Medias
It seems to me that one of the best ways to make known our highest causes of vulnerability and inability to know to resist from would be for the moment place the struggle apart from His Helper, the Holy Spirit, back to a time without His assistance, to the very dispensation of law. For observation, let’s take it one step further and also remove God’s providential appointments in the lives of His people in order to remove that way of mercy He bestows on His people.

For the spiritual, even Christian psychologists will admit that without the self-controlling preservation of the Holy Spirit, the maturing natural passions of a young person acquires (esp. those without proper nurturing), often becomes just “nervous energy”.

Look at the reference for our place to start:
“Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months. Then he prayed again, and the sky poured rain and the earth produced its fruit.” (James 5:17, 18)
Now see if we can adapt that nature to the nature of another:
“By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: "He could not be found, because God had taken him away." For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.” (Hebrews 11:5)

“Enoch walked with God…” (Genesis 5:24)
Sure, I think it’s only fair to say that Enoch’s nature also walked with God, not just his obedience he learned, just as much as Elijah and everyone else before or after, right there with them. As it was with Elijah and Enoch, so it is with you. Difference being (possibly), is if we have found out for ourselves, that from that entry level of faith, we can also learn to respond God’s will. The most available points to our disposal is just learning to say “stop”, or when to say “No and yes”, or “stop-and-pray”. Soon, since this is the dispensation of grace is now, without a word spoken, people will confess to you of your attention. Though the time is short, it’s never too late.
“For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit” (Romans 14:17)
One thing we tend to do when we confront temptation is to “flee” as we should. But again, in this day and hour, how well situated is the fleeing remedy in the face of that insane culture, as in fleeing to what destination? Yet, as stated in verse 13, “God is faithful. If a Christian decides to be creative, may Christ show you how to walk in that “win” and “save some” strength and confidence!

In these times, to resist effectively while listening to the Spirit’s simplicity within our conscience, we do have such a narrow road; we sometimes have to assume company with offensive behavior while showing a creative response while they witness your patient reaction. Take music for example, an industry that is a central stage of mankind’s fond reflection, daily turning itself into an ideological battlefield. The workplace samplings I am well acquainted really says a lot, but not all of everything a person is composed of, not until patience reveals the exceptional-to-unfortunate quality behind the front.

For with Him we do indeed have much to gain if fundamentals are better isolated, a nature like that of every one who has truly excelled with Christ, and may He also grant us understanding to do so! From this writer’s perspective, it matters not it seems; Christian or otherwise, people’s patience usually come into play per other’s or their own temperament.

Mike.

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