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Old 05-04-2020, 07:36 PM
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Food for thought...

For those who know the Bible as if it were the back of your hand...I say that not as sarcasm....count the number of times Jesus spoke about hell and the number of times he spoke of heaven.

Bottom line....he spoke more of hell than heaven. Don't you think from that observation we can conclude that Jesus had an emphasis for us to know that it exists? That if people chose not to follow his way of living that would be their ETERNAL placement?

It is by one's own choice that they enter the gates of hell....

Fortunately, Jesus has promised...even at the moment of death if a soul repents he/she will be given graces to avoid the alternative.
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Food for thought...

For those who know the Bible as if it were the back of your hand...I say that not as sarcasm....count the number of times Jesus spoke about hell and the number of times he spoke of heaven.

Bottom line....he spoke more of hell than heaven. Don't you think from that observation we can conclude that Jesus had an emphasis for us to know that it exists? That if people chose not to follow his way of living that would be their ETERNAL placement?

It is by one's own choice that they enter the gates of hell....

Fortunately, Jesus has promised...even at the moment of death if a soul repents he/she will be given graces to avoid the alternative.

You are correct. Jesus spoke about hell more than anybody else did.

I think that the problem is that some people don't think hell is eternal. By that they mean, unlike heaven wHere you are there forever with God, if you go to hell your spirit gets extinguished and you no longer exist even spiritually and therefore you don't experience hell forever as you would heaven.

Anyway, that is the new-fangled belief by some folks.

I (and you I assume) believe that hell IS eternal just like heaven. Do you agree?
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You are correct. Jesus spoke about hell more than anybody else did.

I think that the problem is that some people don't think hell is eternal. By that they mean, unlike heaven were you are there forever with God, if you go to hell your spirit gets extinguished and you no longer exist even spiritually and therefore you don't experience hell forever as you would heaven.

Anyway, that is the new-fangled belief by some folks.

I (and you I assume) believe that hell IS eternal just like heaven. Do you agree?
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Absolutely...
Yep. That is the traditional belief.
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Old 05-10-2020, 12:02 AM
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The kinds of torture in hell....from the diary of Saint Faustina:

The loss of God

Perpetual remorse of conscience

One's condition will never change

The fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it, a terrible suffering since it is purely a spiritual fire...lite by God's anger

Continual darkness and a terrible suffacating smell... the devils and the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own

The constant company of Satan

Horrible despair

Hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies


These are the Tortures suffered by the damned all together, but that is not the end
of their sufferings
There are special Tortures destined for particular souls. These are the Tortures of the SENSES
Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings related to the manner in which it has sinned
There are caverns and pits of Torture where one form of agony differs from another

Let the sinner know that he will be Tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin

Most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell
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just a quick response to what I posted.....despair and perpetual remorse of conscience are what I consider to be 1st cousins. All of the above "characteristics" carry meaningful attributes....but one who has experienced, to a certain degree, both of those...the mental pain is excruciating. Thing is, it wasn't perpetual.
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Loss of God is a torture once we do not have him. Nobody can grasp that until it is too late.
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From Saint Faustina....
Hell is a real place. But what is it like exactly?

While the Bible gives us some clues, the 20th century mystic St. Faustina received a particularly vivid vision, which she recorded in her diary.

Note that such “private revelations” are not on the same level of the divine revelation given by God in Jesus Christ. Catholics are not obliged to believe private revelations – but they can nonetheless aid someone in their faith.

“Today I was led by an Angel to the chasms of hell,” St. Faustina writes in her diary (741). “It is a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is!”

“The kinds of tortures I saw…” she begins, and then lists the seven kinds of sufferings of hell she saw:

“The first torture that constitutes hell is the loss of God;

“The second is perpetual remorse of conscience; (I strongly advise your to fully understand "remorse of conscience) and that it is perpetual)

“The third is that one’s condition will never change;

“The fourth is the fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it – a terrible suffering, since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger;

“The fifth torture is continual darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and, despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own;

“The sixth torture is the constant company of Satan;

“The seventh torture is horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies.”

She also says the exact form of this suffering can be different for each person: “Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned. There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another.”


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In scripture Jesus talks about hell and its eternity.....no sleep, no food, no pleasure....those that chose to go to hell because of their choices in life AND failure to ask for forgiveness spend eternity there.

Jesus spoke more of hell than he did heaven in scripture....guess he wanted to make an impression on people of its relevance.

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From Saint Faustina....
Hell is a real place. But what is it like exactly?

While the Bible gives us some clues, the 20th century mystic St. Faustina received a particularly vivid vision, which she recorded in her diary.

Note that such “private revelations” are not on the same level of the divine revelation given by God in Jesus Christ. Catholics are not obliged to believe private revelations – but they can nonetheless aid someone in their faith.

“Today I was led by an Angel to the chasms of hell,” St. Faustina writes in her diary (741). “It is a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is!”

“The kinds of tortures I saw…” she begins, and then lists the seven kinds of sufferings of hell she saw:

“The first torture that constitutes hell is the loss of God;

“The second is perpetual remorse of conscience; (I strongly advise your to fully understand "remorse of conscience) and that it is perpetual)

“The third is that one’s condition will never change;

“The fourth is the fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it – a terrible suffering, since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger;

“The fifth torture is continual darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and, despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own;

“The sixth torture is the constant company of Satan;

“The seventh torture is horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies.”

She also says the exact form of this suffering can be different for each person: “Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned. There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another.”

Really good stuff. Its great that you are reading her diary.


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In scripture Jesus talks about hell and its eternity.....no sleep, no food, no pleasure....those that chose to go to hell because of their choices in life AND failure to ask for forgiveness spend eternity there.

Jesus spoke more of hell than he did heaven in scripture....guess he wanted to make an impression on people of its relevance.
Yep. Its amazing that people deny hell, or the eternity of hell, even though Jesus spoke more of hell than he did heaven in scripture.
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