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^ If you do not believe that Jesus is God the Son then how can you ever accept that Mary is indeed the Mother of God?

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Hm twisting words and adding too again, now where did I say that ?

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Old 06-08-2012, 06:01 AM
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Actually, Nestorius, condemned as a heretic in the year 430 objected to the use of the term 'Theotokos' (God-bearer) in reference to Mary. Source of information: "Documents of the Christian Church", second edition, Selected and Edited by Henry Bettenson, Oxford University Press, 1963 (reprint: 1978), p.46.

The 1st of 12 anathemas by Cyril of Alexandra (same source book and page) was:

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If any one does not acknowledge that Emmanual is in truth God, and that the holy Virgin is, in consequence, 'Theotokos,' for she brought forth after the flesh the Word of God who has become flesh, let him be anathema.
It may have been declared heresy, but it occurred well over 1500 years ago. Nestorius was banished as a result.
True: It occurred and it was condemned, and rightly so. And it never rose again until the 1500's.

Early heresies in the first few centuries were common, since the Church weas still grappling with some basic beliefs and communications were primitive.
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Old 06-08-2012, 01:33 PM
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True: It occurred and it was condemned, and rightly so. And it never rose again until the 1500's.

Early heresies in the first few centuries were common, since the Church weas still grappling with some basic beliefs and communications were primitive.
Thank you, CC! Of course, I have my own thoughts and beliefs on these things, as you already know, but I wanted to keep the record straight, without derailing the thread.
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Correct. The focus is God the Son. The filial person of the Holy Trinity, when He became man, was Incarnate of the Virgin Mary, making her Theotokos (Maternal God-bearer). She is the Mother of God, in that she is the Mother of the Divine Person who is the Son of God, God the Son, according to the flesh. She bore God the Son without human seed, giving birth to God the Word, and is truly Theotokos.
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Actually, Nestorius, condemned as a heretic in the year 430 objected to the use of the term 'Theotokos' (God-bearer) in reference to Mary. Source of information: "Documents of the Christian Church", second edition, Selected and Edited by Henry Bettenson, Oxford University Press, 1963 (reprint: 1978), p.46.

The 1st of 12 anathemas by Cyril of Alexandra (same source book and page) was:



It may have been declared heresy, but it occurred well over 1500 years ago. Nestorius was banished as a result.
Very true. There were two "extremes" as the Church saw it.
On the one hand, there was Nestorianism (the view that Christ is two persons) and Monophysetism (the view that Christ was only one composite nature after the Incarnation). The councils that dealt with this the most went back and forth with Scripture. They prayed every day together for enlightenment, and then convened. They went back and forth until they had worked it out. Much of it was "how can the Scripture say this when it also says that?" They also looked into previous councils and teachers that had already dealt with this in the past and saw what the Church had believed up until that time. But ultimately, they simply put their faith in the Lord that he would lead them and worked it out in council.

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Old 06-08-2012, 05:31 PM
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Hm twisting words and adding too again, now where did I say that ?

In all His gracious love.
This is what you wrote (denying that the Son is God ... God the Son)
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mjrhealth: see if He was 100% God He could not have denied Himself.
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=Searching4truth;136010]I just read this in another post, and I have heard this before as to why certain Catholics pray to Mary. I myself don't agree Mary is the mother of God. God created Mary so how could Mary mother God???

This is just for debate I don't expect a right or wrong answer I am just looking to see other perspectives. I will debate my belief you can debate yours but please nobody should pass judgement here as only God can Judge.

From my understanding that is part of Catholicism to believe that Mary is the mother of God?

If so it seems that that doesn't coincide with the Christian organization so how can one be a Christian Catholic?
So you don't brelieve in the BIBLE?

Douay Bible:

Luke 1:26-35 "And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God. Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. And of his kingdom there shall be no end. And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

And YES; it say's the same thing in the KJB

And it is God who desired it

It is Gos who choose mary of BILLIONS of options

It is God who Perfected Mary so that She COULD and WOULD be the Mother of God.

It is God who MADE IT POSSIBLE

It is God Who accomplished it

and it is foretold in the Old Testamant:

Isaiah 7:14: Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Matthew 1:22-23: All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 'The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel'--which means, 'God with us.'

Micah 5:2: But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.

Hosea 11:1: When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

Matthew 2:14-15 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: 'Out of Egypt I called my son.'

Isaiah 9:6-7: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.

THERE'S MORE BUT THIS OUGHT TO DO IT

Isa.29: 16 ” You turn things upside down! Shall the potter be regarded as the clay; that the thing made should say of its maker, "He did not make me"; or the thing formed say of him who formed it, "He has no understanding"?

God Bless you my friend, are you a Christian?

patrick68

Isa.64: 8 “Yet, O LORD, thou art our Father; we are the clay, and thou art our potter; we are all the work of thy hand.”
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So Jesus is God confined in a human body therefor not able to be Almighty?
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Dear Searching4truth,

May I ask you a question: ... Is there anything that you believe that goes beyond and above human reasoning? What do you believe that cannot be fully comprehended?
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Dear Searching4truth,

May I ask you a question: ... Is there anything that you believe that goes beyond and above human reasoning? What do you believe that cannot be fully comprehended?
The virgin birth, The resurrection, The ascension are things we don't experience therefor we may understand the concept but cant fully comprehend the experience.

I believe Jesus is a part of God but he is Not the full Glory of the Almighty God. therefor Marry isn't the mother of God
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^ My friend, ... the phrase "part of God" actually contradicts human reason. For God is Spirit and does not have any "parts" and He is infinitely perfect and complete in Himself.

To say this would deny his Perfection and Integrity and Wholeness don't you think?

Jesus fully possesses the fullness of the Divine Nature and is all that the Father is according to His Divine Substance.


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