Originally Posted by cate
Please list the precise quote as well as the specific catechism you are referring to. My position is that the Catholic Church has never taught that all Jews will convert to Christianity (Catholicism) in the last days. An interesting note: anti-pope Benedict XVI praises the Jewish religion and says he has great respect for it - a religion which blasphemes God and rejects Jesus Christ. He also believes that it is possible for Jews and peoples of non-Catholic religions to be saved. This of course is heresy and has been condemned by all the popes.
They may never have made a formal "pronouncement" on it; but the idea has been around for centuries.
What do you think the forcible conversions were about? Just to be mean? No, they thought the sooner they converted all the Jews, maybe Jesus would come sooner. Shall I go into the violence used sometimes to achieve this end? The strict laws of the church forbid using force; but the idea often tempted people to go too far.
Thus it was acceptable to force Jews to attend church. If they began to nod off, hit them with a stick. That was done.
Or tell them to convert or leave. Convert or be made into a class of underlings.
What amazes me is your reviling of the Popes who have taken a more benevolent interpretation of this belief. They don't want to impose Christianity on the Jews by force or coercion. And you revile them?
What sort of foolishness is it to say the Jews blaspheme God when Jesus said that Jews know what they worship? That salvation is of the Jews? You seem a bit over the top to me. Is there any group on the face of this earth that you can write about without feeling the need to be insulting?
You seem unprepared to be here if you do not know the history of the Catholic church better. Many of the early Church Fathers wrote about this. What is in the Catechism today is nothing new. I'm not going to copy and paste from this article, only provide a link: Patristic Era / Israel
You could also find out about this by reading Jewish sources. They also remember how this belief had unfortunate results for them when people thought they could make Jesus come sooner by forcing the Jews to convert. I can't believe you are this naive -- much of the antisemitism in the Catholic Church came about out of frustration with Jews refusing to convert.