Originally Posted by Loretohouse
What I find interesting is that the Catholic Church says
the Jews will be converted before the great "apostacy and antiChrist".
It appears that if we see signs of Israel
converting we are close to the end?
or possibly the period after their conversion may be a longer period of tribulation.
I am also mindful that Jesus said we will not know the time or day.
I do not recall hearing anything about this in non Catholic writings or pastors on TV.
Would this scenario be problematic for many non Catholics?
The Catechism provides us with a general order of events at the End [CCC 673-677]. Chronologically they are,
1. the full number of the Gentiles come into the Church
2. the "full inclusion of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation, in the wake of the full number of the Gentiles" (#2 will follow quickly on, in the wake of, #1)
3. a final trial of the Church "in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth." The supreme deception is that of the Antichrist.
4. Christ's victory over this final unleashing of evil through a cosmic upheaval of this passing world and the Last Judgment.
Would this scenario be problematic for many non Catholics?[/color][/size][/quote] sorry ; the above statements are from Lorethouse ; but i don't know how to muti quote
somewhat ; for there are things to be looked at here
#1 ; i have no problem with this ;
#2; after the completion of the gentiles coming in ("the rapture")
(#2 will follow quickly on, in the wake of, #1) ---?
where this is true ; the event of #1 ; ( the rapture)
does not cause the Jew to turn to Jesus
what does spearhead this turn is the teaching ( witnessing) of the two witness'( Enoch and Elijah)
remember ; these two are killed before the return of Jesus
a biblical story
the prodigal son goes into the feast ( wedding supper)
the older brother ( the Jew ) does not.
there is also the story of the 144, 000
now while it is true that the 144,000 are not all Jews
( only the two tribes of the southern kingdom are making the 12k of Judah and the 12k of Benjamin are Jews ( 24 of 144 k ) in this group.
surely the church if it were still on earth would contribute more than 120k
#3; anti Christ and the church ;
the obvious problem i have with this is the fact it has been placed at #3
which includes the coming of the Jews into the kingdom ; but i have after the rapture which would leave the church out of this equation
#4; this point is of no particular concern to me ; but i offer a thought from the book of Enoch concerning if its
1- world passing and judgment
2- judgment and then world passing
the thought that others have brought through the ages comes from
the fallen angels asking for a half life ( 500 years)
-- both ; Nostradamus ( with his ending of the world occurring in 3797) and h g wells in his film "time machine"
could be shown to have that extra 500 years of the earth existence
anyways ; these are my thoughts