[Soulheart3]

My wife was telling me about someone she knew when she was younger, that was blue eyed and middle eastern features (black hair-facial features). She asked me to google Melengenous, thinking it was something like that (the race) and came up with nothing. Then while searching other ways, I found out that the first case of blue eyes came about in the near east about 6000 to 10000 years ago. We thought it was mainly a European/American thing, but like so many things, it started in the middle east (another term for near east). Anyone here know anything more about this?

[Windsong]

Originally Posted by Soulheart3

My wife was telling me about someone she knew when she was younger, that was blue eyed and middle eastern features (black hair-facial features). She asked me to google Melengenous, thinking it was something like that (the race) and came up with nothing. Then while searching other ways, I found out that the first case of blue eyes came about in the near east about 6000 to 10000 years ago. We thought it was mainly a European/American thing, but like so many things, it started in the middle east (another term for near east). Anyone here know anything more about this?

I really don't understand the question. Blue eyes are a genetic thing - homozygous recessive - there are six different genes for eye color but you only get one from your father and one from your mother. Adam and Eve - Noah and his wife (wish we had her name) had the genetic ability in them for blue eyes. We also have the genes for the three sons wives. Anyway within Noah's family all 6 eye color genes would have been present. To have blue eyes you get the blue gene from your mother and the blue gene from your father.... Reminds me of a song in there - forever in blue genes hehehe. Brown eyed people can produce a blue eyed child, if the child can get a recessive blue gene from both mother and father. However 2 blue eyed people cannot produce a brown eyed child. And not all brown eyed people can produce blue eyes - they have to have the recessive gene.

So no matter where someone comes from geographically - if they have a recessive blue gene on both sides - they can have blue eyes.... Not sure about those years you list, I believe that Adam and Eve might have been at that time (sorry I am young earth hehe) but doubt they had blue eyes but had the genes to produce blue eyes - and more we can guess that eye color might have included more genes before the flood. Apparently most of the blue genes did end up in the line from Japheth (son of Noah) however Shem's line also produces blue eyes and imagine Ham's line has it there as well. Gradually the lines would become more isolated though. Therefore we can understand that eye color could become not available - however all would be found in the area where Noah lived with his families after the flood - northern middle east/southeastern Turkey.

About the black hair etc - some of the prettiest black hair I have ever seen were from Irish and Scottish genes... oh well....
Hope this helps. The eye color is random as far as genetics understands it from the genes available.

In Christ
Windy

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Originally Posted by Soulheart3

My wife was telling me about someone she knew when she was younger, that was blue eyed and middle eastern features (black hair-facial features). She asked me to google Melengenous, thinking it was something like that (the race) and came up with nothing. Then while searching other ways, I found out that the first case of blue eyes came about in the near east about 6000 to 10000 years ago. We thought it was mainly a European/American thing, but like so many things, it started in the middle east (another term for near east). Anyone here know anything more about this?

Don't know if this will help or confuse things, Brad. My husband is blue eyed, black hair, slightly dark complexion that tans deeply when exposed to the sun. We've been working on genealogy for a couple years now and he participated in the National Geographic Geneographic project to track your ancestry to the Scientific Adam. Anyhow, his DNA shows that his deep ancestry is from a tribe that first appeared in present day Pakistan or India (Himalayan area) about 30,000 years ago. His genotype (Hapla G M201) is very rare though and is rarely present in modern man greater than a few percent. As for more recent lineage, we know that his mother's family came out of Romania (1400's) to France, to Canada to the US, while his father's side were Jews who fled Prussia (1800's).

[Windsong]

Side Note:
Hehehe - wow I also do the genealogy thing (addictive!!) and my dad has blue eyes, black hair and tans easy (so does my sister - me I burn like crazy myself got that from my mothers side - but we all have the blue gene) - He also has Jewish genes in him maybe that is the common link (or missing link hehe). Other than that we are pretty much Japhethic all the way back that I have traced. Aren't the migration maps neat?

Warning about that DNA genealogy research - they are looking for a "Scientific Adam" (as you rightly pointed out) not a Biblical Adam - i.e. they expect to find an ape they will call adam (or man) to join that ape they call "Scientific Eve" (oh wow hope that scientific adam and eve were at the same time and place....) - they do not start their search for information with DNA based in God as Truth thing. I don't have a DNA report on my dad, however I do have one of his lines (the oldest one) traced through documents to about 1200 (into Switzerland).

As I mentioned in my first message I believe Adam/Eve and Noah and his sons were real as God tells us about them and nothing in His telling indicates they are not real. If the gene pool goes to "one" at the flood then they should find a common ancestor a lot earlier than they do. They should also explain to people that they have proven that there is no ape ancestor hehe but they keep that one to themselves (might hurt their reputation or something I guess - or there is none so blind as he who will not see). Just keep this in mind as you deal with the genealogy DNA researchers (ask the hard questions to know what they use to compare) - but then they have their goal lots of DNA registered don't they hehe.

It is so funny though in genealogy DNA they can't tell you who your close dead ancestors are but they can tell you about 30,000 years ago and where you came from.... ever wonder what 30,000 year old DNA they are using to compare? To prove you were related to someone say 6 generations ago you would need a DNA sample from that long dead person (which may not be possible even if you could exhume the body - you know that "to dust you will return" is an issue - no DNA left in non-preserved dead bodies - yuck sorry cancel I even mentioned that) to compare your DNA to. What the genealogy DNA system does is compare your DNA sample to others donated by other people living and then they divide them into the genotype they have set as their standard.

Kind of like the way they date rock - where they assume a rate of decay (of carbon not original in rock - oh we will not go there) that has remained the same over billions of years - which is not derived through science but through arbitrary designation......

Sorry I have discussed this issue with people that have post grad degrees in genetics and they just and I have gone around and round through the DNA information and with my aunt who will send in any direct male line cousins DNA she can find who is willing at her expense.... all the way to, is it 64 marker? I think. Genealogy is a nice, addictive hobby, but something tells me these people not only have a DNA registry going on but they also have found a cash money machine - what the registry is for I have no clue but someday they will have a registry of most all people especially in the US and don't think it will be used "only" for genealogy (I know they tell you about all the "privacy" issues - they are on "your" side). (Can't help but wonder what Hitler's mad science guys/gals would have done with the genome project - No I didn't add that, just slipped out, SORRY.)

Oh wow I am such a skeptic hehe sorry sorry sorry - just me ignore please . I just can't get away from the idea that I see a P. T. Barnum moment here for some reason. - I do that alot, SORRY, just me..... kinda like that global warming "science".....

Another Side Note: I like the format of the genealogy forums out there so you can track a specific branch of a post much more than this current wave of Christian forums - so much easier to find a post!

(Sorry please don't take offense - was not intended that way, I just see all the DNA and MONEY and have to say I am a real Skeptic - you know I believe "follow the money" and you find the reason behind anything - especially these days!)

In Christ
Windy
(hehe that was my fun for today - got to run am late)

[Windsong]

SoulHeart3 is also Brad??? fewer people here than what I thought?
Is there a list somewhere to know who is who under the names they use?

Windy

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Originally Posted by Windsong

SoulHeart3 is also Brad??? fewer people here than what I thought?
Is there a list somewhere to know who is who under the names they use?

Windy

2 Brads: 2 different people and beliefs.

I find the genealogy DNA interesting, but certainly don't know enough about genetics to know what all they can track. I know there is a website for my mother's line (Lehmann/LaMont) family that is collecting DNA to link us back to our ancesters in Borne, Switzerland. I know that they say they get a better link if my uncle or male cousins submit then if I do.

We'll have to compare Swiss lines and see if ours cross.

[Windsong]

Hehe aye my main line there is Trachel of Link, Canton Berne, Switzerland from there they went to Germany and then to PA USA.... I think I do have a possible link to a Lehman line in PA or NJ - I will have to look up that one hehe. Oh love that genealogy!

Windy

[Windsong]

Oh and thanks for info on two brads - thought the beliefs were different but never can tell hehe

Windy

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Originally Posted by Windsong

Hehe aye my main line there is Trachel of Link, Canton Berne, Switzerland from there they went to Germany and then to PA USA.... I think I do have a possible link to a Lehman line in PA or NJ - I will have to look up that one hehe. Oh love that genealogy!

Windy

Hey, cousin! My line was from Neuchatel, Berne, Switzerland, went to Germany (the Rhineland), England as part of the Queen's Palatine grant and on to NY/PA. hmmmm, small world

[christkid777]

Not to stray too far from the OP but the DNA research I have been made aware of had already shown that all modern man came from a single ancestor. If I remember correctly that common ancestor was about 70 thousand years ago. The comparison to the Bible story was made and here was a concession to the idea at least that the Bible and science could be joined. That is part of my own confidence that from the war between the Christians and science a new hybrid faith will be born. One that accepts the Bible as fact and uses science to uphold the validity of the scripture. Of course there will be many die hards and hardliners on both sides.