What I PASHA have been blessed to BELIEVE, to GOD
by Jesus be all the glory, amen

This is a case AGAINST the ideal called TRINITY

SO you say you believe scripture. Well I laud and applaud you
for saying that but if you don’t understand what you claim or
worse you just take what another claims on faith, without
actually taking the time to look for yourself, then what have
you? SHAME, egg on your face.

Matt 16 was my read the other day, and it was verse 16+17
that this post speaks to.
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona:
for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

How many of you say AMEN to that?
Simon spoke, you are the MESSIAH, the Son of the living GOD
how many of you actually believe JOHN 3,16?
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is
condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God



And with that verse, how many of you then get fuddled in the opening
of JOHN’s epistle, JOHN 1?
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.

What was Jesus reply to Petra Simon?
BLESSED are you son of Jona, because no flesh or blood has
imparted that to you EXCEPT WHO?
READ what’s written, But my ABBA who is where?
Where was the ABBA of JESUS at that moment when Jesus spoke
those recorded words?

There was Jesus standing on earth speaking to not only Pete but a whole
bunch of others about someone SO MUCH OLDER than even CREATION
as we know it.
And that INDIVIDUAL was where, according to Jesus?
I want you claiming BELIEVERS to meditate on what 3 gospels all
take hold of. Matt 3,17 Matthew 17,4 and John 12,28
Behold a voice THUNDERED from heaven. Where was Jesus @ that
moment? On earth hearing what they all heard who were there in attendance.
The same is repeated also in Luke 9,35 and Mark 1,11

Then there is the reverse witness of Jesus speaking regarding His GOD/
who is also His ABBA. John 20,17 and Luke 23,46
People, to whom did Jesus pray?
Was it to the ceiling as so many of us tend to do, or Himself
Or were the prayers and praise of Jesus directed to another
much greater and higher AUTHORITY? see John 17

Who gave to Jesus, ALL AUTHORITY, be it in heaven or here on earth?
see Matt 28,18
Someone else had to give Him that to Him according to the scriptures if
you say they are true and you BELIEVE them. Or was it something that
Jesus already possessed and then what is written is just another jumbled
mess. See John 5, 17-32
verse 32--There is another that beareth witness of me;
and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

The WITNESS of GOD is true regarding Me spoke Jesus.
But I Pasha say the witnessed testimony so many of you bear, or recite
is errant, based on the contrived stuff of blind toothless fools, whose
only true god was POWER for themselves as exercised @ Nicaea, 365 AD.

The TRINITY CREED in WRONG, for what said Jesus to the Samarian
woman @ Sichars /JACOBS well?
John 4,
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth


HOW do I KNOW?
Jesus also said, that by the fruit is every tree known by.
Jesus also said if they persecute Me , then surely they will also presecute
and prosecute you too.
What’s the 1300 year legacy been of the Catholic church, which embraced
and raised that trinity IDOL up for everyone to worship on the penalty of
EXCOMMUNICATION or DEATH if they did not do so?
How many murderous deeds has that schism of Christianity embraced
and sanctioned over the centuries in order to ensure her seat of power?
Wasn’t that exactly what they of the Sanhedrin had also ENDORSED?
Do you not remember Paul aka Saul?
Are you still flubbered by the errant ideological axiom of trinity?

Consider well DAN.7,13
Where have you come across something similar?
Wait, I’ll tell you, Matt 24,30 and Rev. 5. GO and read them for yourself
for you shouldn’t trust me.
And if you still think the CREED you were taught to recite blindly is true
and whole, then explain to me the TRI aspect if GOD has more than just
one SPIRIT as so many were taught to croak by rote.
And who else has the same DNA, as GOD HIMSELF?
see Rev 1,4 /// Rev.3,1 /// Rev.5,6
EXPLAIN how there are seven SPIRITS and not just one?
Is your faith hereby UNDONE?
Well little confused ones, I have but begun.

I KNOW, I know, you will likely now quote me that unbeliever called
Tommy boy’s one liner was, as your entire truth.
Or maybe even Paulie’s own version of insight and maybe the
question from Philip to Jesus our Lord.
But I tell you not to jump so fast to take stuff out of context, and
spin them like a top to make them win you the elusive prize.

SHOW US THE ABBA. asked Phil,
Well if you have seen Me then surely by now you have seen GOD.
Does this make Jesus the SAME GOD as per trinity I-DOLL, ONE for all
and all for ONE.
Or is there another one Jesus prayed to and tried gamely to get
Israel to return to?

Why couldn’t Jesus seat the Zebedee pair as per their vain and selfish
request if He be GOD, incarnate?
What about when the Zebedee whelps came seeking special dispensation
to be seated ahead of all the others of any of the nations?
What said Jesus to the ZEBEDEE zeba dabah’s?
Ever wonder about that?

What of where Jesus said, NOBODY knows when the FINAL HOUR
is, no angel, no mensch, NOBODY but My ABBA, who is
where? In heaven.
Where was Jesus as He spoke those words?
ON EARTH, so if He be GOD surely what Jesus claimed must all
be a wry lie, right?

Then by default, one would have to say that GOD was a failure
for HE couldn’t change the mind of the wisest of the studied minds
in Israel, especially if HE had already handicapped HIMSELF
by having hardened their hearts like once before HE had with pharaoh.
Isaiah wrote which Jesus quoted
HE has blinded their eyes lest they see, deafened their hearing lest
they hear and hardened their hearts lest they WHAT?

And then Jesus would come along and say see Matt 24,36 and Mark 13
about the fact that no ANGEL, not even the SON, and that
Only GOD knows when the fullness of time will be when GOD will
send Him-Jesus back to gather in those who are the ELECT.

Do you not see your erroneous conclusions yet?
Isn’t that how Paulie wrote it, that Jesus was the FULNESS of GOD
corporelly, see Col.2,9
The FULNESS of the GODHEAD. What do you UNDERSTAND
of that statement? That Jesus is GOD or as John recites poetically in
JOHN chapter one?

And what of John 3,16, what do most of you do with these ICONIC
words? Do you throw them aside to suit the trinity THEOREM?
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, what’s not to grasp of this?
Doesn’t GOD have OFFSPRING, children?
If not then how in the universe shall you be HIS children?

O I know by know your little hamster cages are all a helter skelter
with confusion. DO we accept what Pash is claiming or do we dig in
our heels and entrench ourselves what our ESTEEMED trained beagles
had been paper trained to?

YES YES, I won’t leave out the UNBELIEVER’s words
THOMAS speaking John 20
28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Do you now reject what Jesus said in John 20,?
17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them,
Jesus ascends unto GOD, our GOD; and to His ABBA, our ABBA.
To whom was Jesus going? To HIMSELF? Surely NOT, or are
you so whacked by the delusions of the BLINDED,
my dear little ones?

But Thomas wasn’t actually refering to Jesus as GOD was he?
Go meditate on what Jesus spoke in
Matt 22,44
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
and Hebrews 1,8
8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom
What was Jesus reply of Hebrews 1,9
9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God,
even thy God, hath anointed thee

And then we have the Philipian question so many also flubber
and blubber on.
SHOW US THE ABBA.
Show us GOD and we’ll you so believe.
Sorry that isn’t exactly how it is worded is it, see John 14, 8
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us

What was Jesus reply here, see verse 9 the next line
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;
and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Have you never read the scripture line,
AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS IN YOU?
And if you are FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, question,
ARE YOU thereby GOD incarnate? And do we worship you?

BUT if you stop thinking there, then surely you’ll be unaware to
care what is written further on,
WE shall make our ABODE with such and such
see John 14,23
23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words:
and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
Notice the wee little word WE.
See Genesis 1,26
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness……
LET us make man.

And now back to John 14, 28
I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
For us this should be a revelation, MY ABBA is greater than
little olde Me.
Can you see? What spoke Jesus of His proof?

LUKE 11,20
20But if I with the finger of God cast out devils…..
IF I by the little finger of GOD do these works, by WHOM
shall your children be doing them?
Recall Peter and James in ACTS 3
12And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people,
Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this and why look ye so earnestly on us,
as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers,
hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate,
when he was determined to let him go.

And what did dear young Stephen reveal as a result of the bloody
minded unbelievers hands, Acts 7,55=56
55But he/Stephen, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and
there was Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 Stephen cried out , Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing @ the right hand of God.

So it makes me wonder what EXACTLY you do believe.
And more importantly the WHY you believe so much error?
AS a child of GOD, does GOD not have the time or inclination
to personally teach each of HIS OWN without the by you leave
of lesser tutors who often hold a failing grade for they can’t
back their many presumptive words with any proof
as is revealed in MARK 16, 17+18.
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues;
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Why are these signs such a stretch for most if not all of them?
When was the last time you saw any SIGN by them other than
STORY TELL TALK and RITUALIZED their WALK?
Can you even imagine why they are HANDICAPPED so
badly in this age, why they CAN”T or DON’T?.

SO what exactly did they believe, that you ought them believe?
Do you not dare to ask QUESTIONS where your immortal soul
is concerned, your everlasting RESORT?
How many of you are headed for the SALT MINES of ETERNITY
rather than the HEAVENLY SPA and RETREAT?

Don’t you think it’s HIGH TIME to repent of the nonsense so
many of you have been asked to swear and wear by the addicted
religiously blind pimps who short shrift your eternal ship?
Don’t you think it’s time to get yourselves clean and STRAIT
on the facts of ETERNAL TRUTH?

People, you have the book @ your finger tips, as told Jesus the
UNBELIEVERS of His time here. Luke 16
29-They have Moses and the prophets; they have scripture, so
let them heed what’s recorded there.

ASK GOD, HE is not an ABSENT or as someone posted a DILIQUENT
ABBA, that HE hasn’t the time or inclination to teach each of HIS
elect children as HE had his ERSTE GEBORNE SOHN Jesus, to
take them by the hand and lead them to the ONLY strait unerrant
WAY.

PEOPLE it’s high time to hit the BOOK anew, and complete the
COURSE set before you, without the aid of the many cheat CLIFF
NOTES that others would have you read and then make you bleed
for their own cause.
Question is, are you ABLE to BELIEVE more than those olde passé
lies, and are you willing?

PAX, SHALOM, PEACE

Shalom, God came not to condemn the world, and if his Spirit is in us, neither do we condemn the world.

[Amadeus]

Beautiful PASHA! I, of course, agree, but you will probably not find many takers here on this one! Glory to God in highest! Praise His holy name!

[DoneThat]

Originally Posted by PASHA

What I PASHA have been blessed to BELIEVE, to GOD
by Jesus be all the glory, amen

This is a case AGAINST the ideal called TRINITY

SO you say you believe scripture. Well I laud and applaud you
for saying that but if you don’t understand what you claim or
worse you just take what another claims on faith, without
actually taking the time to look for yourself, then what have
you? SHAME, egg on your face.

Matt 16 was my read the other day, and it was verse 16+17
that this post speaks to.
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona:
for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

How many of you say AMEN to that?
Simon spoke, you are the MESSIAH, the Son of the living GOD
how many of you actually believe JOHN 3,16?
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is
condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God



And with that verse, how many of you then get fuddled in the opening
of JOHN’s epistle, JOHN 1?
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.

What was Jesus reply to Petra Simon?
BLESSED are you son of Jona, because no flesh or blood has
imparted that to you EXCEPT WHO?
READ what’s written, But my ABBA who is where?
Where was the ABBA of JESUS at that moment when Jesus spoke
those recorded words?

There was Jesus standing on earth speaking to not only Pete but a whole
bunch of others about someone SO MUCH OLDER than even CREATION
as we know it.
And that INDIVIDUAL was where, according to Jesus?
I want you claiming BELIEVERS to meditate on what 3 gospels all
take hold of. Matt 3,17 Matthew 17,4 and John 12,28
Behold a voice THUNDERED from heaven. Where was Jesus @ that
moment? On earth hearing what they all heard who were there in attendance.
The same is repeated also in Luke 9,35 and Mark 1,11

Then there is the reverse witness of Jesus speaking regarding His GOD/
who is also His ABBA. John 20,17 and Luke 23,46
People, to whom did Jesus pray?
Was it to the ceiling as so many of us tend to do, or Himself
Or were the prayers and praise of Jesus directed to another
much greater and higher AUTHORITY? see John 17

Who gave to Jesus, ALL AUTHORITY, be it in heaven or here on earth?
see Matt 28,18
Someone else had to give Him that to Him according to the scriptures if
you say they are true and you BELIEVE them. Or was it something that
Jesus already possessed and then what is written is just another jumbled
mess. See John 5, 17-32
verse 32--There is another that beareth witness of me;
and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

The WITNESS of GOD is true regarding Me spoke Jesus.
But I Pasha say the witnessed testimony so many of you bear, or recite
is errant, based on the contrived stuff of blind toothless fools, whose
only true god was POWER for themselves as exercised @ Nicaea, 365 AD.

The TRINITY CREED in WRONG, for what said Jesus to the Samarian
woman @ Sichars /JACOBS well?
John 4,
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth


HOW do I KNOW?
Jesus also said, that by the fruit is every tree known by.
Jesus also said if they persecute Me , then surely they will also presecute
and prosecute you too.
What’s the 1300 year legacy been of the Catholic church, which embraced
and raised that trinity IDOL up for everyone to worship on the penalty of
EXCOMMUNICATION or DEATH if they did not do so?
How many murderous deeds has that schism of Christianity embraced
and sanctioned over the centuries in order to ensure her seat of power?
Wasn’t that exactly what they of the Sanhedrin had also ENDORSED?
Do you not remember Paul aka Saul?
Are you still flubbered by the errant ideological axiom of trinity?

Consider well DAN.7,13
Where have you come across something similar?
Wait, I’ll tell you, Matt 24,30 and Rev. 5. GO and read them for yourself
for you shouldn’t trust me.
And if you still think the CREED you were taught to recite blindly is true
and whole, then explain to me the TRI aspect if GOD has more than just
one SPIRIT as so many were taught to croak by rote.
And who else has the same DNA, as GOD HIMSELF?
see Rev 1,4 /// Rev.3,1 /// Rev.5,6
EXPLAIN how there are seven SPIRITS and not just one?
Is your faith hereby UNDONE?
Well little confused ones, I have but begun.

I KNOW, I know, you will likely now quote me that unbeliever called
Tommy boy’s one liner was, as your entire truth.
Or maybe even Paulie’s own version of insight and maybe the
question from Philip to Jesus our Lord.
But I tell you not to jump so fast to take stuff out of context, and
spin them like a top to make them win you the elusive prize.

SHOW US THE ABBA. asked Phil,
Well if you have seen Me then surely by now you have seen GOD.
Does this make Jesus the SAME GOD as per trinity I-DOLL, ONE for all
and all for ONE.
Or is there another one Jesus prayed to and tried gamely to get
Israel to return to?

Why couldn’t Jesus seat the Zebedee pair as per their vain and selfish
request if He be GOD, incarnate?
What about when the Zebedee whelps came seeking special dispensation
to be seated ahead of all the others of any of the nations?
What said Jesus to the ZEBEDEE zeba dabah’s?
Ever wonder about that?

What of where Jesus said, NOBODY knows when the FINAL HOUR
is, no angel, no mensch, NOBODY but My ABBA, who is
where? In heaven.
Where was Jesus as He spoke those words?
ON EARTH, so if He be GOD surely what Jesus claimed must all
be a wry lie, right?

Then by default, one would have to say that GOD was a failure
for HE couldn’t change the mind of the wisest of the studied minds
in Israel, especially if HE had already handicapped HIMSELF
by having hardened their hearts like once before HE had with pharaoh.
Isaiah wrote which Jesus quoted
HE has blinded their eyes lest they see, deafened their hearing lest
they hear and hardened their hearts lest they WHAT?

And then Jesus would come along and say see Matt 24,36 and Mark 13
about the fact that no ANGEL, not even the SON, and that
Only GOD knows when the fullness of time will be when GOD will
send Him-Jesus back to gather in those who are the ELECT.

Do you not see your erroneous conclusions yet?
Isn’t that how Paulie wrote it, that Jesus was the FULNESS of GOD
corporelly, see Col.2,9
The FULNESS of the GODHEAD. What do you UNDERSTAND
of that statement? That Jesus is GOD or as John recites poetically in
JOHN chapter one?

And what of John 3,16, what do most of you do with these ICONIC
words? Do you throw them aside to suit the trinity THEOREM?
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, what’s not to grasp of this?
Doesn’t GOD have OFFSPRING, children?
If not then how in the universe shall you be HIS children?

O I know by know your little hamster cages are all a helter skelter
with confusion. DO we accept what Pash is claiming or do we dig in
our heels and entrench ourselves what our ESTEEMED trained beagles
had been paper trained to?

YES YES, I won’t leave out the UNBELIEVER’s words
THOMAS speaking John 20
28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Do you now reject what Jesus said in John 20,?
17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them,
Jesus ascends unto GOD, our GOD; and to His ABBA, our ABBA.
To whom was Jesus going? To HIMSELF? Surely NOT, or are
you so whacked by the delusions of the BLINDED,
my dear little ones?

But Thomas wasn’t actually refering to Jesus as GOD was he?
Go meditate on what Jesus spoke in
Matt 22,44
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
and Hebrews 1,8
8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom
What was Jesus reply of Hebrews 1,9
9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God,
even thy God, hath anointed thee

And then we have the Philipian question so many also flubber
and blubber on.
SHOW US THE ABBA.
Show us GOD and we’ll you so believe.
Sorry that isn’t exactly how it is worded is it, see John 14, 8
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us

What was Jesus reply here, see verse 9 the next line
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;
and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Have you never read the scripture line,
AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS IN YOU?
And if you are FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, question,
ARE YOU thereby GOD incarnate? And do we worship you?

BUT if you stop thinking there, then surely you’ll be unaware to
care what is written further on,
WE shall make our ABODE with such and such
see John 14,23
23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words:
and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
Notice the wee little word WE.
See Genesis 1,26
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness……
LET us make man.

And now back to John 14, 28
I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
For us this should be a revelation, MY ABBA is greater than
little olde Me.
Can you see? What spoke Jesus of His proof?

LUKE 11,20
20But if I with the finger of God cast out devils…..
IF I by the little finger of GOD do these works, by WHOM
shall your children be doing them?
Recall Peter and James in ACTS 3
12And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people,
Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this and why look ye so earnestly on us,
as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers,
hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate,
when he was determined to let him go.

And what did dear young Stephen reveal as a result of the bloody
minded unbelievers hands, Acts 7,55=56
55But he/Stephen, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and
there was Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 Stephen cried out , Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing @ the right hand of God.

So it makes me wonder what EXACTLY you do believe.
And more importantly the WHY you believe so much error?
AS a child of GOD, does GOD not have the time or inclination
to personally teach each of HIS OWN without the by you leave
of lesser tutors who often hold a failing grade for they can’t
back their many presumptive words with any proof
as is revealed in MARK 16, 17+18.
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues;
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Why are these signs such a stretch for most if not all of them?
When was the last time you saw any SIGN by them other than
STORY TELL TALK and RITUALIZED their WALK?
Can you even imagine why they are HANDICAPPED so
badly in this age, why they CAN”T or DON’T?.

SO what exactly did they believe, that you ought them believe?
Do you not dare to ask QUESTIONS where your immortal soul
is concerned, your everlasting RESORT?
How many of you are headed for the SALT MINES of ETERNITY
rather than the HEAVENLY SPA and RETREAT?

Don’t you think it’s HIGH TIME to repent of the nonsense so
many of you have been asked to swear and wear by the addicted
religiously blind pimps who short shrift your eternal ship?
Don’t you think it’s time to get yourselves clean and STRAIT
on the facts of ETERNAL TRUTH?

People, you have the book @ your finger tips, as told Jesus the
UNBELIEVERS of His time here. Luke 16
29-They have Moses and the prophets; they have scripture, so
let them heed what’s recorded there.

ASK GOD, HE is not an ABSENT or as someone posted a DILIQUENT
ABBA, that HE hasn’t the time or inclination to teach each of HIS
elect children as HE had his ERSTE GEBORNE SOHN Jesus, to
take them by the hand and lead them to the ONLY strait unerrant
WAY.

PEOPLE it’s high time to hit the BOOK anew, and complete the
COURSE set before you, without the aid of the many cheat CLIFF
NOTES that others would have you read and then make you bleed
for their own cause.
Question is, are you ABLE to BELIEVE more than those olde passé
lies, and are you willing?

PAX, SHALOM, PEACE

Hi Pasha

I believe in one true God who created the Word, and then the Word
created everything else.

This makes it we in Gen.

Bye for now Amen.

[ElpidioLGagolinan]

So Mr. Pasha, I am not sure what you believe . You seem to attack the doctrine of Trinity and seem to ridicule those who believe in Trinity. You seem to apply human logic in reading the Scriptures. Maybe I will remove most of my "seem" because of the title " a treatise against TRINITY.

Would you mind telling me or others your concept of God ?

1st John

5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

[CatholicCrusader]

God is ONE: One being, three persons. A human is one being and one person: A cat or dog is one being and NO persons: God is one being and THREE persons. We can not FULLY understand the Trinity, but the scripures are pretty plain that God IS Trinity:

Jesus tells his apostles to baptize "in the name [notice, singular, not plural] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19). This is a proof-text: three distinct Persons united in the one divine name. In 2 Corinthians 13:14, Paul writes, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." We see this same unity of divine Persons in 1 Corinthians 12:4–11, Ephesians 4:4–6, and 1 Peter 1:2–3.

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (cf. John 8:58, 10:38, 14:10; Col. 2:9). It also clearly teaches that the Holy Spirit is God (cf. Acts 5:3–4, 28:25–28; 1 Cor. 2:10–13). Everyone agrees the Father is God. Yet there is only one God (Mark 12:29, 1 Cor. 8:4–6, Jas. 2:19). How can we hold all four truths except to say all three are One God?

And yes, Jesus DID say he was God. In John 8:58, when quizzed about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am"—invoking and applying to himself the personal name of God—"I Am" (Ex. 3:14). His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59).

Also significant are passages that apply the title "the First and the Last" to Jesus. This is one of the Old Testament titles of Yahweh: "Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of armies: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god’" (Is. 44:6; cf. 41:4, 48:12).

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the trinity is a man made pecept constructed to try to understand...

God, Christ,and the Holy GHost IS one......

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How to Defend the Doctrine of the Trinity
By Jason Evert
source: LINK


1. If the Bible teaches that there is one God, why do Catholics teach that that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all God? That’s three Gods.

Perhaps the most common objection to the Trinity is that the numbers don’t seem to add up. Those who don’t accept the idea of a Trinity are usually under the impression that Catholics are content to say that the difficulty can be resolved by taking refuge in the "God is a mystery" argument.

Believing in a mystery does not mean believing in something that is unreasonable or illogical but rather in something you do not have the capacity to ever know completely—such as God. It isn’t something you can’t know anything about; it is something you can’t know everything about.

You’ll still need to demonstrate that the idea of three Persons and one God is not illogical. To begin, explain the difference between being and person. Being answers the question "What?" and person answers the question "Who?" For example, pointing to my mother, the question "What is she?" is answered with, "A human being." The question of "Who is she?" is answered with, "Janie."

All persons are beings, but not all beings are persons. For example, you are one being and one person. But a dog is one being and zero persons. With regard to the Trinity, there is one being, which is God, yet there are there Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is not illogical. If one were to say that there is one God and three Gods, or one Person and three Persons—that would be illogical. But one Being and three Persons is not a contradiction.


2. Some people say that Trinity was one divine Person using three different modes. Is that sort of what Catholics teach?

This is an ancient heresy that has resurfaced in recent years in the Oneness Pentecostal denomination, so you’ll need to be on the lookout for it in your discussions. Originally, this idea was known as modalism, sabellianism, or patripassianism. The Church rejected the concept, since Scripture is clear in demonstrating that the three Persons of the Trinity are distinct. For example, when Jesus prayed to the Father in the Garden of Gethsemane, it is clear that he was not talking to himself. When Jesus told the apostles that he was leaving them to go to the Father in order to send the Holy Spirit, it becomes very confusing if there was only one person playing three roles. If Jesus was the Father, why would he have to go somewhere to be with himself, and if Jesus is the Spirit, why would he have to leave in order to send himself?


3. If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God, why didn’t the Jews know that? Their great prayer was, "Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is one God!"

There are two things to look at here: Why didn’t the Jews know of the Trinity, and where is there a Triune God in the Old Testament?

Jesus did not stand in the manger and announce his divinity, and neither did God stand on Mount Sinai and give Moses a theological exposition of the three distinct Persons who are one in being and nature, existing consubstantially and eternally. The Lord is like a good teacher who reveals his truth by slowly planting seeds and then evoking the truth of the conclusions from his students. His revelation to the Jews was a gradual process, and so there is no problem if he wished to reveal more of himself to humanity as time progressed. As Jesus said, "I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present" (John 16:12).

Similarly, Jesus revealed that his kingdom would be like a mustard seed that grows into the largest of shrubs. There is an organic development in understanding that takes place over time. This is not a mutation or contradiction of a prior understanding, but the natural flowering of truth.

Where are the Old Testament seeds of the Trinity? In Deuteronomy 6:4, one finds the Shema, the Jewish expression of monotheism: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." There are two words in Hebrew for one. Yachid means only one. Echod means a compound unity or a united one—as in Genesis: "evening and morning . . . one day" or "husband and wife . . . one flesh." This second word, echod, which describes a unity of beings, is the one used to speak of God, who is not by essence a solitude, but a unity of three persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Other implicit references to the Trinity in the Old Testament include Gen. 1:26, which reads, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness." Since God was alone at the time of creation (Isa. 44:24, Neh. 9:6) with no other gods, this expression of plurality must refer to God himself. At the Tower of Babel God says, "Let us go down," yet no one else comes down with him (Gen. 11:7).

Still, the Jews did not have an understanding of the Trinity. It was only in Christ that God the Father revealed he had a Son, and that this Son was to send the Spirit. Monotheism was unheard of at the time of ancient Israel, and if Yahweh tried to announce that he was one God in three Persons, it would have seemed to be tritheism (worshiping three gods) to the polytheistic people of the day. God waited for the Christian era to reveal his true nature.


4. I have no problem believing in God the Father, but where does Jesus claim to be God?

Who created the world, forgives sins, gives eternal life, answers prayers, and is worthy of worship? Few would argue that anyone but God is capable of these things. But the Bible teaches that Jesus does them all (Heb. 1:10; Matt: 9:6; John 10:28; John 14:13; Rev. 5:13–14, respectively).

In John 8:58, Jesus takes this sacred name of God (cf. Ex. 3:14), and applies it to himself: "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM." Only God may use this title of himself without b.aspheming (Ex. 20:7, Deut. 5:11), and the punishment for misusing his name is death by stoning (Lev. 24:16). Thus Jesus’ good Jewish audience immediately recognized the sacred name, and as a result they picked up stones to kill him when he applied that name to himself (John 8:59).

John 1:1 reads, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (emphasis added). John begins his Gospel by proclaiming the divinity of Christ. Aquinas noted in his Sermon-Conferences on the Apostles Creed that John 1:1 refutes three major Christological heresies in one swipe. By saying, "In the beginning was the Word," the heresy of Photinus (Jesus was a created being) is destroyed. When John says, "and the Word was with God" he refutes the heresy of Sabellius (Jesus was the Father). Lastly, when John says that the "Word was God," the Arian heresy (Jesus was not God) also collapses.

Another compelling verse to consider is John 20:28, where the apostle Thomas says to Jesus, "My Lord and my God." In the Greek, this sentence reads literally, "The Lord of me and the God of me." It would be nothing short of b.asphemy for Jesus not to rebuke Thomas if he were wrong. Jesus does nothing of the sort, but in fact he accepts Thomas’ profession of his identity as God in the next verse.


5. What evidence is there that the Holy Spirit is equal to God?

Those who deny the Trinity usually do not think that the Holy Spirit is a Person, let alone God. For this reason you will probably have to deal with both issues.

Begin with the personhood of the Spirit. In Acts 13:2, the Holy Spirit says, "Set Barnabas and Saul apart for me for the work to which I have called them" (emphasis added). This is a clear reference to the Holy Spirit as a personal being, not some kind of impersonal force.

John 16 refers to the Holy Spirit as a "he" ten times in a single chapter. Scripture also reveals that the Holy Spirit can be lied to (Acts 5:3), can speak (Acts 8:29; 10:19, 20; 13:2), hear (John 16:13–15), teach (John 14:26), reprove (John 16:8-11), pray and intercede (Rom. 8:26), love (Rom. 15:30), be grieved (Eph. 4:30), and be blasphemed (Mark 3:29). Only a person is capable of these attributes and abilities, and only God can be b.asphemed.

Some argue that since the Holy Spirit is a Spirit, he is not a person. But God is a spirit. Satan is a spirit. Angels and demons are spirits—and all of these are persons. The classic definition of a person is an individual substance of a rational nature. The Holy Spirit is obviously an individual substance, and the above verses confirm that he is of a rational nature.

This should demonstrate sufficiently that the Holy Spirit is a personal being, and so now one must prove that he is God. Any number of biblical passages can be used to support this. Acts 5:1–4 explains that a lie to the Holy Spirit is a lie to God himself. (To see verses where the Holy Spirit is equal to God, compare Isa. 44:24 and Mal. 2:10 with Job 33:4, and Ps. 104:30. Also worth comparing is Ex. 17:2 with Heb. 3:9 and Jer. 31:33 with Heb 10:15–16.)

The Bible contains a number of other passages where the Holy Spirit is on par with God. For example, the Holy Spirit is everlasting (Heb. 9:14), all knowing (1 Cor. 2:10) and omnipresent (Ps. 139:7)—attributes that only God has. Only the Catholic understanding of the Trinity can reconcile these passages

ELPIDIOLGagolinan posted

So Mr. Pasha, I am not sure what you believe . You seem to attack the doctrine of Trinity and seem to ridicule those who believe in Trinity. You seem to apply human logic in reading the Scriptures. Maybe I will remove most of my "seem" because of the title " a treatise against TRINITY.
Would you mind telling me or others your concept of God ?

WHAT said JESUS about GOD? GOD is SPIRIT, end of story.
But then we don't how SPIRIT actually is, for GOD also walked in the
garden didn't HE?
And we find that in the Relevant book, not only is GOD of seven spirits,
so too is HIS beloved and ONLY begotten SON, or do you reject JOHN 3,16?

As to Jesus, well it's quite simple, for when He was yet in heaven, He
was like all of us, in the BOSOM of GOD, and when He was sent as
we were all sent/lent,
that when Jesus took form, He had all the fore knowledge of His
time with GOD, we on the other hand came into this place empty, to
be filled. Jesus when He rose from the grave rose CORPOREALLY and
not spiritually as some ghost which is what many tend to think.
For recall that Jesus was touchable by Thomas.
But how we so love to believe the unbelievers don't we?
So why do so few of you believe the RECORD of the devils scripture
records of, in the NT?

Jesus is the ONLY begotten, of GOD, as the SON of GOD, the rest of us
are the begotten and on loan from GOD to our parents,
to at sometime return to stand before HIS throne once more, the worthy
restored to a place in GOD's heaven and the unworthy cast off.|

Know ye not that the KINGDOM of GOD is within you? and yet so many
of us tend to think only in terms outside the box, that GOD is somewhere
out there in the great cosmos.

Now the HOLY SPIRIT, over which so many constantly fumble is but PART
of GOD's extension, for JESUS already had the SPIRITS of HIS ABBA
upon His birth into this reality, this clay vessel, and didn't recieve thereof
when He was baptised, for the DOVE only landed UPON Him. It doesn't
say, POSSESSED Him, as so many tend to infer thereof.

Have you never read Johns gospel, where in the teen section of the gospel,

Jesus first speaks of asking GOD to send another COMFORTER- which correctly
would be COUNSELLOR, ADVICER, and yet in the next chapter Jesus
has already realized that He too upon a successful completion would
be able to impart this guest personally, of Himself, a gift so to speak.

JESUS was fully born since ANNO DOMINI, "of GOD and mankind",of SPIRIT and DUST,
very much like the myths that had gripped the gentile greeks and romans
and still grip so many other cultures like the HINDU's with their plethora
of deities.
For SCRIPTURE NOTES there are many GOD's but only one SUPREME GOD
and that most of mankind have subjugated HIM to the realms of myth and
legend, and thus, to not be taken too seriously.
By the very word GOD which so many translators mistranscribed, really
meant IMMORTAL, being. And if Jesus is the first one reasurrected, how
could Moses and Elijah have been in attendance on the mount of
transfiguration
when Pete wanted to build those three shrines, once more
falling back to pagan habits, and forgetting the BEGETTOR as todays
TRINITY IDEALISTS have tried gamelyto do.
In order to cover all their bases so to speak of what they heard and
wouldn't, couldn't and maybe even shouldn't accept rather
than simply accepting that Jesus never once accepted the idea that
He was GOD's equal, nor that GOD ever stated that Jesus while here
was HIS equal.

ONE was sent, and the OTHER did the sending, but since Tertullian's idiom
was postulated the KILLERS have enjoined themselves to
that idea of three, and it has stuck in the minds of the former mutliple
idol worshipers and is today thumped as being BIBLICALLY BASED,
with many abominations edited in post trnaslation, to help crutch their fantasy.

WHAT SIN IS NEVER FORGIVEABLE? A SIN AGAINST GOD ALMIGHTY.
Remember a) GOD is SPIRIT, the opening words of the very BOOK
so many of you have refused to read first hand for yourselves.

And yet Jesus says any sin named against Himself is forgivable, and thus
Jesus can't be equal to GOD in EQUALITY, though post crucification that
hominum honorarium was bestowed until the end of time when even JESUS shall bow
or kneel before the throne of GOD and the order of things be once more
restored.

THAT is WHAT I BELIEVE and I feel anyone who has not been brainwashed
into the TRINITY idiom will surely come to the same conclusion by the grace
of GOD and personally reading the scriptures, that HOLY BOOK,
for themselves rather than following the bent formats of the various sects.

What caused the CHRISTIAN CHURCH to sunder in the 4th century?
This nonsense TRINITY or three FACADES of GOD so to speak as being
one and the same being, that was then yoked as SACRED by an UNBELIEVER named CAESAR, CONSTANTINE.
SO then where GOD witnesses HIS Son JESUS from Heaven @ the baptism
Johnny preforms, you trinitarians are basically saying GOD is a LIAR, for
Jesus is also that GOD who spooked from heaven, and whom then men
got to nail with their grubby little sinful mitts on a beam and then got
to kill willy nilly.

The information is out there for anyone whom GOD has gifted sight to and
who isn't in a headlong rush to fall back into the hands of men and their
often precipitious short cuts.
I can only offer you water, I don't expect anyone to drink.
For most are like the parents of that born blind soul of JOHN, fearful lest
they maybe lose their tenative place in their religiousness.

Hope this helped, but I am sure,
the first thoughts most of you will nurture and entertain is
PASHA is an demonic possessed HERETIC.
Well if you do, I stand in excellent company, for that is what those
trained and brainwashed family members of His also thought of Him and
worse the torah trained educated whaled on Him to ensure their own
sinful crutch.

That's too bad for you, for like Paul with AGRIPPA and Jesus with those
of the SANHEDRIN, we can't make believers of you, only GOD can, if you
would allow HIM instead of men to finish the work begun in you too.
DON"T FOLLOW ME, please, I am not seeking followers of me, but Him
who finished top of the class, and I name Him BROTHER by another
mother, amen.

PAX

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