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Old 05-19-2009, 10:06 PM
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From this article: Believe it or not, the bishop's an agnostic - Arts - Entertainment - smh.com.au

Richard Holloway says the worldwide Anglican Church has made room for "happy clapping" evangelicals, bells-and-smells Catholics, women priests and, in the United States, openly gay clergy and even practitioners of other faiths. So surely, he argues, it can find room for people like him - Christians who don't believe in God.


"I had a crisis in 1998 and I was in a kind of internal exile for a bit," he told the Herald yesterday, while en route to Sydney, where he is a speaker at the Sydney Writers' Festival.

"I am in a slightly mellower place with the church right now. I've still got my pilot's licence, so to speak. They didn't take it away from me."

But Holloway has abandoned his belief in - or at least certainty about - God and the afterlife, and is now known as a "Christian agnostic".

"I am not trying to persuade people in the church to adopt my angle," he insists. "I just want space enough to be honest about my own convictions. The congregation I belong to in Edinburgh knows my position and is hospitable enough to include me."


Unusual to say the least.
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:32 PM
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From this article: Believe it or not, the bishop's an agnostic - Arts - Entertainment - smh.com.au

Richard Holloway says the worldwide Anglican Church has made room for "happy clapping" evangelicals, bells-and-smells Catholics, women priests and, in the United States, openly gay clergy and even practitioners of other faiths. So surely, he argues, it can find room for people like him - Christians who don't believe in God.


"I had a crisis in 1998 and I was in a kind of internal exile for a bit," he told the Herald yesterday, while en route to Sydney, where he is a speaker at the Sydney Writers' Festival.

"I am in a slightly mellower place with the church right now. I've still got my pilot's licence, so to speak. They didn't take it away from me."

But Holloway has abandoned his belief in - or at least certainty about - God and the afterlife, and is now known as a "Christian agnostic".

"I am not trying to persuade people in the church to adopt my angle," he insists. "I just want space enough to be honest about my own convictions. The congregation I belong to in Edinburgh knows my position and is hospitable enough to include me."


Unusual to say the least.
Just out of curiosity Brad, what do you find unusual about it? Is it the fact that the Anglican faith still embraces him, (his individual church) or the title he is given as a christian agnostic which to me doesn't make sense at all. Or For the fact he turned away does this surprise you?
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:36 PM
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From this article: Believe it or not, the bishop's an agnostic - Arts - Entertainment - smh.com.au

Richard Holloway says the worldwide Anglican Church has made room for "happy clapping" evangelicals, bells-and-smells Catholics, women priests and, in the United States, openly gay clergy and even practitioners of other faiths. So surely, he argues, it can find room for people like him - Christians who don't believe in God.


"I had a crisis in 1998 and I was in a kind of internal exile for a bit," he told the Herald yesterday, while en route to Sydney, where he is a speaker at the Sydney Writers' Festival.

"I am in a slightly mellower place with the church right now. I've still got my pilot's licence, so to speak. They didn't take it away from me."

But Holloway has abandoned his belief in - or at least certainty about - God and the afterlife, and is now known as a "Christian agnostic".

"I am not trying to persuade people in the church to adopt my angle," he insists. "I just want space enough to be honest about my own convictions. The congregation I belong to in Edinburgh knows my position and is hospitable enough to include me."


Unusual to say the least.
No such this as a Christian who doesn't believe in God.
No such thing as an Agnostic Bishop.
They only exist in the perverted minds of needy men or Satans Angels trying to twist and distort the truth.
A Christian not only believes in God, they believe God.
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Just out of curiosity Brad, what do you find unusual about it? Is it the fact that the Anglican faith still embraces him, (his individual church) or the title he is given as a christian agnostic which to me doesn't make sense at all. Or For the fact he turned away does this surprise you?
Certainly that he remains within the Anglican faith. He still takes Mass which is surprising. And likewise the term 'Christian agnostic'. Classic oxymoron? It's like an atheist who believes in God.

The fact that he has doubts doesn't raise an eyebrow. Even Mother Theresa had doubts.
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Old 05-20-2009, 07:08 AM
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The Anglican church just seems to stray further and further away
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Old 05-20-2009, 07:16 AM
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Hey Brad... I heard about an atheist that believes in God

Isn't this an oxymoron - like 'jumbo shrimp' ?
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Old 05-20-2009, 07:16 AM
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Certainly that he remains within the Anglican faith. He still takes Mass which is surprising. And likewise the term 'Christian agnostic'. Classic oxymoron? It's like an atheist who believes in God.

The fact that he has doubts doesn't raise an eyebrow. Even Mother Theresa had doubts.

It's not surprising to me, after all he's an agnostic, not an atheist.

To him, whether God is or is not, is not ascertainable, and him staying in his office is like somebody who would rather have just his foot in the "other side" of the fence and most of his body still in this side of the fence just in case....

I think he is a procrastinating agnostic, unlike you who stated in one of your posts that you know there is no God.
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Old 05-20-2009, 07:29 AM
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.....The fact that he has doubts doesn't raise an eyebrow. Even Mother Theresa had doubts.
Whoaa! Hold up. Mother Theresa admitted to a couple of fleeting moments of doubt. That is NOWHERE NEAR the same as being an agnostic. I too have had fleeting moments of doubt, from which I quickly recovered.

Please don't compare Mother Theresa to this wayward "bishop".
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Old 05-20-2009, 08:43 AM
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Brad: The fact that he has doubts doesn't raise an eyebrow. Even Mother Theresa had doubts.
That's a similar tactic that atheists like to use when talking about the founding fathers of America... they'll find a few obscure quotes here and there that portray negative thoughts toward organized religion... and from that, conclude the founding fathers were atheists.

Everyone has doubts from time to time... it's only natural.
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:15 AM
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The thing is, when you look at the term "agnostic" the bishop could quite easily fit into that category. An agnostic isn't someone who floats back and forth between belief and disbelief, although some people believe that may be the case. That's just ambivalent, to be honest.

An agnostic believes that the true nature and will of God is unknowable, and incomprehensible by human standards. As a result, (s)he does the best (s)he can, but can never truly know the will of God.

I've met agnostic atheists, I've met agnostic Christians. I've met agnostic pagans.

I believe this bishop could, honestly, be an agnostic Christian.
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