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Old 11-30-2018, 11:22 PM
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Here comes Ped's famous Merry-Go-Round, where he leaves the thread topic and starts going round and round from one subject to another.

No thanks, I'll pass.
I believe you are getting close to answer me with grace or through grace. I got a feeling you are avoiding admitting it is through grace.

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Old 11-30-2018, 11:26 PM
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There is a song that says where can i go but to the Lord.

Terry you mentioned that i go off topic but see who started it.

anyway let me look back.

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Old 11-30-2018, 11:35 PM
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Good point. I looked at the Bible where great white throne is mentioned Revelation 20:12-15. I noticed those who go there are judged according to their works. Remember Christians are saved by faith and not by works. If we are judged by works then none of us can be saved.

Christians will be judged in the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14, II Corinthians 5:11, Revelations 20:4.

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Here is my first response on the topic of Great white throne. But to prove my answer to author of the thread i had to prove that Christians are already judged in the judgment seat of Christ. For me i am still on topic.

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Old 11-30-2018, 11:42 PM
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We are saved by Faith AND Works, not by faith alone.



Not true. Works that are done by inspiration of the Holy Spirit and commanded by Christ DO save. We went over that before:


31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
But here Terry saw or focused on salvation by faith etc and not on great white throne and the judgment seat of Christ.Terry even wrote we went over these before.

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Old 12-01-2018, 07:33 AM
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I believe you are getting close to answer me with grace or through grace. I got a feeling you are avoiding admitting it is through grace.

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We are saved by Grace alone, and by Faith AND Works.

I never avoid questions ped, I just avoid you and your habit of never sticking to one topic. The thread topic here is: "Why do so many people claim that only the bad guys will be judged at the Great White throne?"

Answer: There are two judgements: The first one is YOUR judgement immediately upon your death, and then the final judgement of all at the end of the world. In both, ALL are judged.
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When did this phrase "Great White Throne" come into fashion.

Anyway, there are two judgements: The first one is YOUR judgement immediately upon your death, and then the final judgement of all at the end of the world. In both, ALL are judged.

Revelation 20:11 (KJV)
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

I guess it came after someone read Rev.20

Where do you find in scripture that you are judged immediately after death?
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:35 AM
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We use the terms PARTICULAR JUDGMENT and LAST JUDGMENT
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I. THE PARTICULAR JUDGMENT

1021 Death puts an end to human life as the time open to either accepting or rejecting the divine grace manifested in Christ.592 The New Testament speaks of judgment primarily in its aspect of the final encounter with Christ in his second coming, but also repeatedly affirms that each will be rewarded immediately after death in accordance with his works and faith. The parable of the poor man Lazarus and the words of Christ on the cross to the good thief, as well as other New Testament texts speak of a final destiny of the soul--a destiny which can be different for some and for others.593

1022 Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgment that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven-through a purification594 or immediately,595 -- or immediate and everlasting damnation.596
At the evening of life, we shall be judged on our love.597

592 Cf. 2 Tim 1:9-10.
593 Cf. Lk 16:22; 23:43; Mt 16:26; 2 Cor 5:8; Phil 1:23; Heb 9:27; 12:23.
594 Cf. Council of Lyons II (1274): DS 857-858; Council of Florence (1439): DS 1304- 1306; Council of Trent (1563): DS 1820.
595 Cf. Benedict XII, Benedictus Deus (1336): DS 1000-1001; John XXII, Ne super his (1334): DS 990.
596 Cf. Benedict XII, Benedictus Deus (1336): DS 1002.
597 St. John of the Cross, Dichos 64.



V. THE LAST JUDGMENT

1038 The resurrection of all the dead, "of both the just and the unjust,"623 will precede the Last Judgment. This will be "the hour when all who are in the tombs will hear [the Son of man's] voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment."624 Then Christ will come "in his glory, and all the angels with him. . . . Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. . . . And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."625

1039 In the presence of Christ, who is Truth itself, the truth of each man's relationship with God will be laid bare.626 The Last Judgment will reveal even to its furthest consequences the good each person has done or failed to do during his earthly life:
All that the wicked do is recorded, and they do not know. When "our God comes, he does not keep silence.". . . he will turn towards those at his left hand: . . . "I placed my poor little ones on earth for you. I as their head was seated in heaven at the right hand of my Father - but on earth my members were suffering, my members on earth were in need. If you gave anything to my members, what you gave would reach their Head. Would that you had known that my little ones were in need when I placed them on earth for you and appointed them your stewards to bring your good works into my treasury. But you have placed nothing in their hands; therefore you have found nothing in my presence."627
1040 The Last Judgment will come when Christ returns in glory. Only the Father knows the day and the hour; only he determines the moment of its coming. Then through his Son Jesus Christ he will pronounce the final word on all history. We shall know the ultimate meaning of the whole work of creation and of the entire economy of salvation and understand the marvelous ways by which his Providence led everything towards its final end. The Last Judgment will reveal that God's justice triumphs over all the injustices committed by his creatures and that God's love is stronger than death.628

1041 The message of the Last Judgment calls men to conversion while God is still giving them "the acceptable time, . . . the day of salvation."629 It inspires a holy fear of God and commits them to the justice of the Kingdom of God. It proclaims the "blessed hope" of the Lord's return, when he will come "to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at in all who have believed."630

623 Acts 24:15.
624 Jn 5:28-29.
625 Mt 25:31,32,46.
626 Cf. Jn 12:49.
627 St. Augustine, Sermo 18, 4:PL 38,130-131; cf. Ps 50:3.
628 Cf. Song 8:6.
629 2 Cor 6:2.
630 Titus 2:13; 2 Thess 1:10.
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Old 12-01-2018, 11:03 AM
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Answer: There are two judgements: The first one is YOUR judgement immediately upon your death, and then the final judgement of all at the end of the world. In both, ALL are judged.
So your saying right after death you are judged and sent to {lets say heaven}. Then you are taken out of heaven and placed in the ground. Then resurrected and then sent back to heaven.
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So your saying right after death you are judged and sent to {lets say heaven}. Then you are taken out of heaven and placed in the ground. Then resurrected and then sent back to heaven.
Half right and half wrong.

YES, right after death you are judged and sent to {lets say heaven}.

At that point you are pure spirit, and you behold the face of God. You are one of "the cloud of witnesses" mentioned in Hebrews 12:1. You are still alive, but like an angel you live as pure spirit and you will live in heaven (or hell) until the final judgement.

When Jesus finally comes for the Last (final) judgement, those alive on earth will be judged, and those who have already passed away will also be judged in a way described in my previous post:

Christ will come "in his glory, and all the angels with him. . . . Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. . . . And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
In the presence of Christ, who is Truth itself, the truth of each man's relationship with God will be laid bare. The Last Judgment will reveal even to its furthest consequences the good each person has done or failed to do during his earthly life......

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The parable of the poor man Lazarus and the words of Christ on the cross to the good thief, as well as other New Testament texts speak of a final destiny of the soul
The Lazarus scripture was a parable and you must know Christ did not immediately go to heaven when He died
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