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Old 12-01-2017, 07:38 AM
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to cease as stated in Bible has ceased = only gibberish continues = the gospel is now heard and preached in most if not all languages around the world imho - twinc
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Old 12-01-2017, 12:41 PM
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to cease as stated in Bible has ceased = only gibberish continues = the gospel is now heard and preached in most if not all languages around the world imho - twinc
Consider a possible situation, you and an unsaved person are separated in an island. The unsaved person does not understand your language, what will you do ?

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Old 12-01-2017, 01:59 PM
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Consider a possible situation, you and an unsaved person are separated in an island. The unsaved person does not understand your language, what will you do ?

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Old 12-01-2017, 02:04 PM
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to cease as stated in Bible has ceased = only gibberish continues = the gospel is now heard and preached in most if not all languages around the world imho - twinc
Please provide a simple person as myself this oft’ referred to phrase “gibberish”, where is it found from God’s word in the proper context?

1 Corinthians 13:13 says the “gifts” remain?? This “Now abideth Faith, Hope and Love”, πίστις 4102 [e] pistis – faith, , is the same πίστις 4102 [e] pistis – faith used to explain one of the “gifts” of “faith by the same Spirit”.

“Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.” “And now abideth”, , [the gift] “faith by the same Spirit”

(1 Corinthians 12:4, 1 Corinthians 13:13, 1 Corinthians 12:9)
V-13, With regard to the former statement, ‘Whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease,’ that has been misunderstood as if it amounted to a declaration that the miraculous gifts in the early Church were intended to be of brief duration. However true that may be, it is not what Paul means here. The cessation to which he refers is their cessation in the light of the perfect Future. With regard to the other statement, the abiding of faith, hope, charity, that, too, has been misapprehended as if it indicated that faith and hope belonged to this state of things only, and that love was the greatest of the three, because it was permanent. The reason for that misconception has mainly lain in the misunderstanding of the force of ‘Now,’ which has been taken to mean ‘for the present,’ as an implied contrast to an unspoken ‘then’; just as in the previous verse we have, ‘Now we see through a glass, then face to face.’ But the ‘now’ in this text is not, as the grammarians say, temporal, but logical. That is, it does not refer to time, but to the sequence of the Apostle’s thought, and is equivalent to ‘so then.’ ‘So then abideth faith, hope, charity.’ - MacLaren
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Old 12-01-2017, 02:56 PM
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Please provide a simple person as myself this oft’ referred to phrase “gibberish”, where is it found from God’s word in the proper context?

1 Corinthians 13:13 says the “gifts” remain?? This “Now abideth Faith, Hope and Love”, πίστις 4102 [e] pistis – faith, , is the same πίστις 4102 [e] pistis – faith used to explain one of the “gifts” of “faith by the same Spirit”.

“Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.” “And now abideth”, , [the gift] “faith by the same Spirit”

(1 Corinthians 12:4, 1 Corinthians 13:13, 1 Corinthians 12:9)
V-13, With regard to the former statement, ‘Whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease,’ that has been misunderstood as if it amounted to a declaration that the miraculous gifts in the early Church were intended to be of brief duration. However true that may be, it is not what Paul means here. The cessation to which he refers is their cessation in the light of the perfect Future. With regard to the other statement, the abiding of faith, hope, charity, that, too, has been misapprehended as if it indicated that faith and hope belonged to this state of things only, and that love was the greatest of the three, because it was permanent. The reason for that misconception has mainly lain in the misunderstanding of the force of ‘Now,’ which has been taken to mean ‘for the present,’ as an implied contrast to an unspoken ‘then’; just as in the previous verse we have, ‘Now we see through a glass, then face to face.’ But the ‘now’ in this text is not, as the grammarians say, temporal, but logical. That is, it does not refer to time, but to the sequence of the Apostle’s thought, and is equivalent to ‘so then.’ ‘So then abideth faith, hope, charity.’ - MacLaren

how does 1Cor 13:13 have anything to do with tongues - as regards 1Cor 12:2 when were you heathen and led astray to dumb idols - surely this is not to you or about you - twinc
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Old 12-01-2017, 05:51 PM
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how does 1Cor 13:13 have anything to do with tongues - as regards 1Cor 12:2 when were you heathen and led astray to dumb idols - surely this is not to you or about you - twinc
Twinc mah-man, you just re-posted it.

One of the 3-abiding things listed in V-13 was "faith". All I said was that faith is a gift as shown in assoc-text. Thereby abiding gifts.

If that wasn't sufficient, I may not be able to assist, couldn't He? As though you weren't putting to use the proper knowledge in comprehending divine things, Holy Spirit's spiritual things. But Christ is the abler over all, to officiate for our entire shortcomings, and we all have them.

Please give it some patience as we commit this to His trust to supply.

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Consider a possible situation, you and an unsaved person are separated in an island. The unsaved person does not understand your language, what will you do ?

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Scripture seems to suggest that speaking in tongues is understood by all in their own language. Presumably the you (saved person) would speak and the unsaved person would understand it if it is from the Holy Spirit.

The Acts event was heard by all from different countries in their own language.

If the speaking in tongues is "gibberish" like twinc suggests then it may be gibbersih like twinc suggests if nobody understands it.

6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?

How is it?
It's the HOLY SPIRIT!

So the unsaved person you talk about on the island should understand it.
Why would the Holy Spirit speak to that unsaved person if it was pointless to do so?

The speaking in tongues is specifically for unbelievers:

22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?
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Scripture seems to suggest that speaking in tongues is understood by all in their own language. Presumably the you (saved person) would speak and the unsaved person would understand it if it is from the Holy Spirit.

The Acts event was heard by all from different countries in their own language.

If the speaking in tongues is "gibberish" like twinc suggests then it may be gibbersih like twinc suggests if nobody understands it.

6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?

How is it?
It's the HOLY SPIRIT!

So the unsaved person you talk about on the island should understand it.
Why would the Holy Spirit speak to that unsaved person if it was pointless to do so?

The speaking in tongues is specifically for unbelievers:

22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?
Heyyy-now, is this one of those new freeze-out games where you cleverly omit portions that detail the fuller truth? There an entry fee, place prizes?
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Old 12-02-2017, 01:03 AM
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Scripture seems to suggest that speaking in tongues is understood by all in their own language. Presumably the you (saved person) would speak and the unsaved person would understand it if it is from the Holy Spirit.

The Acts event was heard by all from different countries in their own language.

If the speaking in tongues is "gibberish" like twinc suggests then it may be gibbersih like twinc suggests if nobody understands it.

6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?

How is it?
It's the HOLY SPIRIT!

So the unsaved person you talk about on the island should understand it.
Why would the Holy Spirit speak to that unsaved person if it was pointless to do so?

The speaking in tongues is specifically for unbelievers:

22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?
It seems you missed the point. I was trying to suggest to Twinc that the gift of speaking in tongues has not ceased yet.

The scenario i gave necessitates the use of speaking in other tongue.

Another point is the speaker is not talking his own language but what the Spirit gives which the hearer will hear in his own hearer's) language. Please see Acts 2:4.

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to cease as stated in Bible has ceased = only gibberish continues = the gospel is now heard and preached in most if not all languages around the world imho - twinc
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