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Today (April 4th) we, in the Catholic Church, celebrated the feast of the Annunciation of the Lord. This seemed rather strange as we normally celebrate this feast day on 25th March. But of course this year the 25th March was Good Friday, which took precedence.

This actually makes this year a special one. In an article in this weeks Catholic Herald, Fr. Raymond J De Souza explains that there is an ancient Jewish tradition that March 25th was the date of Abrahamís sacrifice of Isaac, and also the date when the world was created. Since Jesus heralded a new creation and was also the fulfilment of Abrahamís sacrifice this would seem appropriate.

According to William J. Tighe the Jews also believed that their great prophets were all conceive and died on the same date. So, he says, the early Christians applied this idea to Jesus and suggested that Jesus was conceived and died on the same date. In translating the date of the Crucifixion from the Jewish to the Roman and Greek calendars they came up with 25th March and April 6th. The 25th March seemed to prevail.

Of course we cannot know the dates for certain as there is some doubt as to the year of Christís death, and also complications translating from the Jewish lunar calendar to the Roman one. However to does indicate that the fixing of December 25th as Christís birth was not based on any pagan festivals occurring around that date.
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Today (April 4th) we, in the Catholic Church, celebrated the feast of the Annunciation of the Lord. This seemed rather strange as we normally celebrate this feast day on 25th March. But of course this year the 25th March was Good Friday, which took precedence.

This actually makes this year a special one. In an article in this weeks Catholic Herald, Fr. Raymond J De Souza explains that there is an ancient Jewish tradition that March 25th was the date of Abraham’s sacrifice of Isaac, and also the date when the world was created. Since Jesus heralded a new creation and was also the fulfilment of Abraham’s sacrifice this would seem appropriate.

According to William J. Tighe the Jews also believed that their great prophets were all conceive and died on the same date. So, he says, the early Christians applied this idea to Jesus and suggested that Jesus was conceived and died on the same date. In translating the date of the Crucifixion from the Jewish to the Roman and Greek calendars they came up with 25th March and April 6th. The 25th March seemed to prevail.

Of course we cannot know the dates for certain as there is some doubt as to the year of Christ’s death, and also complications translating from the Jewish lunar calendar to the Roman one. However to does indicate that the fixing of December 25th as Christ’s birth was not based on any pagan festivals occurring around that date.
Interesting. Great post, especially the part about the fixing of December 25th as Christ’s birth was not based on any pagan festivals occurring around that date. I hate it when people play that card.

From EWTN: "The Feast of the Annunciation is one of the most important in the Church calendar. First, it celebrates the actual Incarnation of Our Savior -- the Word made flesh in the womb of His mother, Mary. Second, it is a principal Marian feast. Two other feasts honoring Our Lord's mother, the Assumption (August 15), and the Immaculate Conception (December 8), are celebrated as Holy Days of Obligation in the United States. New Year's Day, January 1, is observed as a Solemnity of Mary."


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"The Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word celebrate the Mass of the Solemn Feast of the Annunciation live from Our Lady of the Angels Chapel in Irondale, AL."
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FROM THE CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA

Feast of the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, The
First mentioned in the Sacramentarium of Pope Gelasius
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Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the FEAST OF the, March 25, also called in old calendars: FESTUM INCARNATIONIS, INITIUM REDEMPTIONIS, CONCEPTIO CHRISTI, ANNUNTIATIO CHRISTI, ANNUNTIATIO DOMINICA. In the Orient, where the part which Mary took in the Redemption is celebrated by a special feast, December 26, the Annunciation is a feast of Christ; in the Latin Church, it is a feast of Mary. It probably originated shortly before or after the Council of Ephesus (c. 431). At the time of the Synod of Laodicea (372) it was not known; St. Proclus, Bishop of Constantinople (d. 446), however, seems to mention it in one of his homilies. He says, that the feast of the coming of Our Lord and Savior, when He vested Himself with the nature of man (quo hominum genus indutus), was celebrated during the entire fifth century. This homily, however, may not be genuine, or the words may be understood of the feast of Christmas.

In the Latin Church this feast is first mentioned in the Sacramentarium of Pope Gelasius (d. 496), which we possess in a manuscript of the seventh century; it is also contained in the Sacramentarium of St. Gregory (d. 604), one manuscript of which dates back to the eighth century. Since these sacramentaries contain additions posterior to the time of Gelasius and Gregory, Duchesne (Origines du culte chretien, 118, 261) ascribes the origin of this feast in Rome to the seventh century; Probst, however, (Sacramentarien, 264) thinks that it really belongs to the time of Pope Gelasius. The tenth Synod of Toledo (656), and Trullan Synod (692) speak of this feast as one universally celebrated in the Catholic Church.

All Christian antiquity (against all astronomical possibility) recognized the 25th of March as the actual day of Our Lord's death. The opinion that the Incarnation also took place on that date is found in the pseudo Cyprianic work "De Pascha Computus", c. 240. It argues that the coming of Our Lord and His death must have coincided with the creation and fall of Adam. And since the world was created in spring, the Savior was also conceived and died shortly after the equinox of spring. Similar fanciful calculations are found in the early and later Middle Ages, and to them, no doubt, the dates of the feast of the Annunciation and of Christmas owe their origin. Consequently the ancient martyrologies assign to the 25th of March the creation of Adam and the crucifixion of Our Lord; also, the fall of Lucifer, the passing of Israel through the Red Sea and the immolation of Isaac. (Thurston, Christmas and the Christian Calendar, Amer. Eccl. Rev., XIX, 568.) The original date of this feast was the 25th of March. Although in olden times most of the churches kept no feast in Lent, the Greek Church in the Trullan Synod (in 692; can. 52) made an exception in favor of the Annunciation. In Rome, it was always celebrated on the 25th of March. The Spanish Church transferred it to the 18th of December, and when some tried to introduce the Roman observance of it on the 25th of March, the 18th of December was officially confirmed in the whole Spanish Church by the tenth Synod of Toledo (656). This law was abolished when the Roman liturgy was accepted in Spain.

The church of Milan, up to our times, assigns the office of this feast to the last Sunday in Advent. On the 25th of March a Mass is sung in honor of the Annunciation. (Ordo Ambrosianus, 1906; Magistretti, Beroldus, 136.) The schismatic Armenians now celebrate this feast on the 7th of April. Since Epiphany for them is the feast of the birth of Christ, the Armenian Church formerly assigned the Annunciation to January 5, the vigil of Epiphany. This feast was always a holy day of obligation in the Universal Church. As such it has been abrogated for France and the French dependencies, for the United States, for England and Scotland, though not for Ireland. By a decree of the S. R. C., April 23, 1895, the rank of the feast was raised from a double of the second class to a double of the first class. If this feast falls within Holy Week or Easter Week, its office is transferred to the Monday after the octave of Easter. In some German churches it was the custom 'to keep its office the Saturday before Palm Sunday if the 25th of March fell in Holy Week. The Greek Church, when the 25th of March occurs on one of the three last days in Holy Week, transfers the Annunciation to Easter Monday; on all other days, even on Easter Sunday, its office is kept together with the office of the day. Although no octaves are permitted in Lent, the Dioceses of Loreto and of the Province of Venice, the Carmelites, Dominicans, Servites, and Redemptorists, celebrate this feast with an octave.

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Very interesting. Thanks for posting that.
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Another point while we are considering this topic is the date of the feast of the birth of Saint John the Baptist. This is an important date in the Catholic litugical calendar, being a Solemnity.

Since at the time of the Annunication Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant this is fixed at June 24th and was celebrated very early in church history.

But, some will ask, shouldn't that be June 25th not the 24th?

Well no, because the way of the Romans counting backwards. In the old Roman calendar (that preceded the Julian calendar) each month started on the new moon. The first day was the Calends (or Kalends). Although by Christís birth the Julian calendar (based on the sunís cycle) was in force, the first day was still the Kalends. The Annunciation was fixed as the octave of the Kalends of April, that is eight days before the 1st of the following month. Simlarly Christmas Day was fixed as the octave of the Kalends of January

June has only 30 days, so the octave of the Kalends (of July) is 24th not 25th.

As a footnote on the Roman dating system there were three fixed dates in each month, the Kalends (1st), the Nones (5-7 depending on the month) and the Ides (13-15 depending on the month). All dates were counted as preceeding one of these fixed points. A strange system but it worked for the Romans. If you remember your Shakespeare, Julius Caeser was murdered on the Ides of March!
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Today (April 4th) we, in the Catholic Church, celebrated the feast of the Annunciation of the Lord. This seemed rather strange as we normally celebrate this feast day on 25th March. But of course this year the 25th March was Good Friday, which took precedence.

This actually makes this year a special one. In an article in this weeks Catholic Herald, Fr. Raymond J De Souza explains that there is an ancient Jewish tradition that March 25th was the date of Abrahamís sacrifice of Isaac, and also the date when the world was created. Since Jesus heralded a new creation and was also the fulfilment of Abrahamís sacrifice this would seem appropriate.

According to William J. Tighe the Jews also believed that their great prophets were all conceive and died on the same date. So, he says, the early Christians applied this idea to Jesus and suggested that Jesus was conceived and died on the same date. In translating the date of the Crucifixion from the Jewish to the Roman and Greek calendars they came up with 25th March and April 6th. The 25th March seemed to prevail.

Of course we cannot know the dates for certain as there is some doubt as to the year of Christís death, and also complications translating from the Jewish lunar calendar to the Roman one. However to does indicate that the fixing of December 25th as Christís birth was not based on any pagan festivals occurring around that date.

Blessed Good Friday.


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