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Old 10-08-2014, 08:50 PM
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And I saw, till the Lord of the sheep came unto them and took in His hand the staff of His wrath, and smote the earth, and the earth clave asunder, and all the beasts and all the birds of the heaven fell from amound those sheep, and were swallowed up in the earth and it covered them.

And I saw till a great sword was given to the sheep, and the sheep proceeded against all the beasts of the field to slay them, and all the beasts and the birds of the heaven fled before their face.

And I saw till a throne was erected in the pleasant land, and the Lord of the sheep sat Himself thereon

Those that took the sword and and hunted down the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven reigned with the Lord of the sheep and worshiped Him as Holy and righteous and worthy!
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I know its been a loooooong time since you posted this but I was curious what you were trying to say with this quote.
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Its a quote from the book of Enoch, considered much more highly in the first century church, that speaks of Jesus, the Lord of the sheep, and the wheat and the tares of the earth are seperated, and those sheep/wheat/righteous who took up the Jesus offered sword to hunt down the renegade tares(beasts of the fields) will reign with Him. Its a call to courage and for christians to be more than just sheep.
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Its a quote from the book of Enoch, considered much more highly in the first century church, that speaks of Jesus, the Lord of the sheep, and the wheat and the tares of the earth are seperated, and those sheep/wheat/righteous who took up the Jesus offered sword to hunt down the renegade tares(beasts of the fields) will reign with Him. Its a call to courage and for christians to be more than just sheep.
Ahh. I see. Very important, especially in these times.
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Very much so!
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Its a quote from the book of Enoch, considered much more highly in the first century church, that speaks of Jesus, the Lord of the sheep, and the wheat and the tares of the earth are seperated, and those sheep/wheat/righteous who took up the Jesus offered sword to hunt down the renegade tares(beasts of the fields) will reign with Him. Its a call to courage and for christians to be more than just sheep.
Kind of seems somewhat contradictory to a few canonised passages.

John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven.


Perhaps the sword is symbolic:

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
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When Jesus first walked this earth, it was to save, when He returns, He will return as a warrior with 10,000 of His holy ones to exact punishment on those arrayed against His children on this earth. Perhaps you have not read revelations? He causes death on a scale unimaginable for one battle, and the dead will be so great that there will be a river of blood up to a horses bridle in the valley of Megido.
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When Jesus first walked this earth, it was to save, when He returns, He will return as a warrior with 10,000 of His holy ones to exact punishment on those arrayed against His children on this earth. Perhaps you have not read revelations? He causes death on a scale unimaginable for one battle, and the dead will be so great that there will be a river of blood up to a horses bridle in the valley of Megido.
Sorry, I thought the passages were referring to time before the return of Jesus.

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Its a quote from the book of Enoch, considered much more highly in the first century church,
I thought it might of given way for the Crusades and validation for other Christian warfare.
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The crusades were much less about any spiritually led people fighting to gain the birthplace of Christ and more about pushing back the Islamic forces that had taken over, by the sword, much of the christian world. They also forced others to swear fealty to the Islamic religion. The church did little to stop this push by Islam out of fear. It was some nobles in France that finally started beating back Islamic armies, before they lost their own lands, and when others saw the seeming unstoppable Islamic forces beaten back, they became encourage to liberate spain and when that happened, it was mostly bloodlust and want for plunder that brought on the crusades into the Holy Land and perhaps gain profit and glory from the battlefield. Sometimes the battles of the crusades killed innocents and even christian brothers in constantinople, so there was plenty of ungodliness associated with the crusades, but it began with beating back radical Islam that threatened to take over the western world. Does that have any current similarities?
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The crusades were much less about any spiritually led people fighting to gain the birthplace of Christ and more about pushing back the Islamic forces that had taken over, by the sword, much of the christian world. They also forced others to swear fealty to the Islamic religion. The church did little to stop this push by Islam out of fear. It was some nobles in France that finally started beating back Islamic armies, before they lost their own lands, and when others saw the seeming unstoppable Islamic forces beaten back, they became encourage to liberate spain and when that happened, it was mostly bloodlust and want for plunder that brought on the crusades into the Holy Land and perhaps gain profit and glory from the battlefield. Sometimes the battles of the crusades killed innocents and even christian brothers in constantinople, so there was plenty of ungodliness associated with the crusades, but it began with beating back radical Islam that threatened to take over the western world. Does that have any current similarities?
Its too bad these round table conversations ended.
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