True2Ourselves Forums http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum en Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:07:35 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/images/misc/rss.jpg True2Ourselves Forums http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum A Discusion of the Sabbath Day http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/5153-discusion-sabbath-day.html Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:00:28 GMT What is the "Sabbath"?

Some of us observe a Saturday Sabbath, and some observe Sunday. But, what exactly IS the Sabbath?

What was God's intent in declaring the Sabbath day holy?

What do we, as individuals, do to "keep" the Sabbath?

How do our individual churches advise us on "keeping" either our Saturday or our Sunday?

What is acceptable activity and what isn't? Who makes this determination?

Is "Sabbath-keeping" a blessing or curse?

Is "Sabbath-keeping" a sign of our special relationship with God?

The SDA church states:

Quote:
The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in god's kingdom. The Sabbath is God's perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people.
(from In His Steps, Ministerial Assoc., Gen. Conference of SDA's, copyright 1996)

Do you agree or disagree with the above statements, and why?


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Some Sabbath verses, for reflection:

Genesis 2:1-3 (New King James Version)

Genesis 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.




Exodus 20:8-11 (New King James Version)

8 “ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.




Deuteronomy 5:12-15 (New King James Version)

12 ‘ Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15 And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.





Exodus 31:13-17 (New King James Version)

13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”




Ezekiel 20:12 (New King James Version)

12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.




Ezekiel 20:19-20 (New King James Version)

19 I am the LORD your God: Walk in My statutes, keep My judgments, and do them; 20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.’ ]]> General Discussions Gentlewind http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/5153-discusion-sabbath-day.html Written in Stone http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/5152-written-stone.html Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:52:05 GMT Should Christians today be committed to strict adherence to all of the Ten Commandments?

Are the Ten Commandments a "law" we are still under?

Is it even possible to perfectly obey all ten? ]]> General Discussions Gentlewind http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/5152-written-stone.html Young people in the UK http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/christianity-politics/5151-young-people-uk.html Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:44:54 GMT As some of you will know from my other thread, I am out of work - but at least I have an employment history behind me, and I do sometimes get job interviews. A young woman who goes to my church has graduated uni, and she has not yet found a job. So far as I know she has got no employment history, and I would not be surprised if she is unemployed for life - that's right, I said for life.

Another Christian woman I know has two grown up children, early 20s, who are likewise struggling to find work, although their prospects are perhaps a tad less bleak.

I bought an apartment in Greater London at the age of 23. How many young people today will ever own an apartment, let alone a house? Even if you have a job, a house costs around five times the typical salary.

This is the political situation in Britain today, and in this respect at least I am glad I'm not still in my 20s. ]]> Pilgrim http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/christianity-politics/5151-young-people-uk.html Prayer request:IRAN -- Muslims Turning to Christ http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/prayer-requests/5150-prayer-request-iran-muslims-turning-christ.html Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:10:14 GMT CURRENT PRAYER UPDATE VOM-USA Prayer Update for September 3, 2010 IRAN -- Muslims Turning to Christ The Voice of the Martyrs contacts report that Muslims are coming to Christ in record numbers in Iran. Despite increased persecution in recent months, believers in Iran are courageously sharing Christ with Muslims and lives are being changed. Pray the new believers will grow in their faith. Ask God to protect and encourage believers in Iran. Pray believers will use their testimonies to draw nonbelievers into fellowship with Christ. Persecution.com (http://www.persecution.com/public/pray.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51) CURRENT PRAYER UPDATE
VOM-USA Prayer Update for September 3, 2010
IRAN -- Muslims Turning to Christ

The Voice of the Martyrs contacts report that Muslims are coming to Christ in record numbers in Iran. Despite increased persecution in recent months, believers in Iran are courageously sharing Christ with Muslims and lives are being changed. Pray the new believers will grow in their faith. Ask God to protect and encourage believers in Iran. Pray believers will use their testimonies to draw nonbelievers into fellowship with Christ.

Persecution.com ]]> Prayer Requests peacebwithu http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/prayer-requests/5150-prayer-request-iran-muslims-turning-christ.html <![CDATA[Prayer request for Syria's Christians]]> http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/prayer-requests/5149-prayer-request-syrias-christians.html Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:52:45 GMT Church members tread carefully after Syria closes church doors
Posted: 6 September, 2010

Syria (MNN) ― The spiritual climate in Syria is a changing one. While Syria's Christian minority is generally respected, conversions to Christianity from Islam are rare and sometimes met with opposition.

Voice of the Martyrs reports that evangelizing is legal, but visas are not granted for missionary work. And while there is freedom to worship, any activity that could threaten communal harmony is suspect, making it difficult to spread the Gospel.

Despite the challenges, Reach Global in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) began in 2008. The team working in the area is focused on holistic ministry: meeting physical and emotional needs as well as the spiritual needs of an individual.

They have been working together with churches, national partners, and collaborating with like-minded ministry organizations in order to reach the Syrians with the hope of Christ, and there has been success. A church has been planted.

Enter: opposition. This June, the Syrian government closed the doors of that evangelical church. The group is still hoping to meet for worship and Bible study, but they are praying for wisdom and discernment on how to do that and still remain within the law.

Pray for the Syrian government to demonstrate more tolerance for establishing evangelical churches. Pray that Christians will be able to reach out to the Muslim population in Syria. Pray that Syrian converts to Christianity will be a strong witness to their family, friends and neighbors.

Mission Network News ]]> Prayer Requests peacebwithu http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/prayer-requests/5149-prayer-request-syrias-christians.html God no longer male, Scottish Episcopal Church rules http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/theology/5148-god-no-longer-male-scottish-episcopal-church-rules.html Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:11:29 GMT Political correctness again.

God no longer male, Scottish Episcopal Church rules
A new order of service produced by the Scottish Episcopal Church has caused controversy by removing masculine references to God.
Published: 7:00AM BST 06 Sep 2010

Sistine chapel, Rome - God no longer male, Scottish Episcopal Church rules
Female priests asked why God was still referred to as a man.

The new form of worship, which removes words such as "Lord, he, his, him" and "mankind" from services, has been written by the church in an attempt to acknowledge that God is "beyond human gender".

Episcopalian bishops have approved the introduction of more "inclusive" language, which deliberately removes references suggesting that God is of male gender.

Traditionalists have criticised the changes on the grounds that they smack of political correctness and because they believe they are not consistent with the teachings of the Bible. The alterations have been made to provide an alternative to the established 1982 Liturgy, which, like the Bible, refers to God as a man.

The new order of service, which can be used by priests if they have difficulties with a male God, has been produced by the church's Liturgy Committee in consultation with the Faith & Order Board of General Synod and the College of Bishops.

The controversial changes were discussed at the church's General Synod recently. The minutes of the synod reveal that female priests had asked why God was still referred to as a man.

The altered version of the 1982 Liturgy sees masculine pronouns removed when they refer to God and the new approach has even been extended to humans. For example, the word "mankind" has been taken out and replaced with "world".

Some senior religious figures have objected to the new form of words. "It is political correctness," said Rev Stuart Hall of the Scottish Prayer Book Society and Honorary Professor of Divinity at the University of St Andrews

"It is quite unnecessary. The word man in English - especially among scientists - is inclusive of both sexes.

"Those who try to minimise references to God as the Father and Christ as his Son have great difficulties, because the New Testament is shot through with these references."

Direct quotations from the Bible have been spared change, because of a reluctance to interfere with the word of God. However, the blessing at the end of services has been changed by some ministers from "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" to "Creator, Redeemer and Sanctifier".

"The changing of God language is a little tricky," admitted Rev Darren McFarland, convener of the church's liturgy committee.

"It is then that opinion is much more divided. We have really tried not to mess around with the descriptions of God in the biblical text. But what we want to see is generous language when it comes to gender. God is above and beyond human gender.

"We are not saying God is not masculine. God is also feminine. The problem is trying to use human language to describe the indescribable.

"The bishops have permitted these changes, people do not have to use this form. But we are trying to honour the breadth of descriptions of God in a way that's helpful to the church and its membership."

God no longer male, Scottish Episcopal Church rules - Telegraph ]]> Theology peacebwithu http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/theology/5148-god-no-longer-male-scottish-episcopal-church-rules.html Romans 7- Blessing or Curse? http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/5147-romans-7-blessing-curse.html Mon, 06 Sep 2010 13:49:32 GMT This was written in response to another post, but I felt led to share it here in the hopes it might bless all hearts

The whole of Romans 7 is worthy of a post all its own, because I believe it is the most misunderstood chapter in the Bible.

In it, Paul describes a man bound under the exterior written commandments of the law, not the interior workings of spirit if God within us by grace through faith. Indeed, in the first verse of chapter 7, he prefaces the remarks he is about to make with this verse:

"Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?"

Romans 7:1

He has previously just informed us that there are important truths we must know, that we are dead to sin, dead to the old man, dead to the flesh in Romans 6, and in Romans 7, he is now explaining the magnitude of that blessing. If we are dead we are freed from the law. That is the only way to get out from its grip of demands.

Where does the strength of sin come from? The law. Where there is no law, there is no sin. Praise God. A new way has been made for us- faith in His promises.

Romans 7 is not Paul's testimony as a Christian, for indeed, if it were, then it makes a mockery of his statement that he can do all things thru Christ who strengthens us.

I encourage all saints to read chapters 6-8 aloud and listen to the context of what Paul is telling us. He sums it up perfectly in Romans 8:

"So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh."

Romans 8:8-12

May God open our eyes to see the truth and expose the continual lies of satan? We do not owe the flesh anything.

How satan has twisted the scriptures and soothed us into thinking "Well, if Paul could not quit sinning, who am I to think I can stop?" For if we bite on this,snf believe it is true, it makes our fight against sin, our fulfillment of God's will for us to be Holy, an impossibility and undercuts our attempts to go in and possess the land of rest

We are not two natures. We do not have a black dog and a white one battling for supremecy. We are commanded to reckon the black dog as DEAD, for this is the pathway of faith that leads to liberty, being saved to the uttermost. It is the way, the only way, to give the white dog that we all are, life.

May God open up eyes to see the amazing promises of God, that it is no longer we that live, but Christ who lives in us, through us. We are new creatures in Christ, and the power satan had on us through the law has been forever broken. Old things are passed away and we are now light in the Lord. It is only by believing this that we can then obey the following scripture "Walk as children of light."

It is only as we grab hold of these amazing promises by faith that we find that sin is sure to be defeated, that when temptations come, we can find the way of escape every time, as we have been promised.

This is the shield of faith that quenches ALL the fiery darts of the wicked one, that we are dead, and our life is hid with Christ in God.

May faith come alive in our hearts once again, and may we, like Abraham, believe that what God has promised us, He is able also to perform. Amen. ]]> General Discussions Gideon http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/5147-romans-7-blessing-curse.html Kinda New Here http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/introductions/5146-kinda-new-here.html Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:48:23 GMT Hi beautiful people! I'm not exactly new, having joined some months ago, but I've not got around to introducing myself yet. I live in the "Great South Land of the Holy Spirit". Well, that's what an early Portuguese explorer (de Queiros) is supposed to have named Australia. Regardless of the rumour, our prayer here in Terra Australis is that this will become a reality - that it will truly become a country and a people on fire with God's Spirit. And so should the whole world!

I live with my wife and three cats in an outer suburban home near the sea (almost everyone lives on the coast here). Over the years we (not the cats so much) have tried to work with all the churches in our local area to come together occasionally, and to accept each other as equals and as co-workers in God's Kingdom. We have a heart for Christian unity - as Jesus did, passionately so, according to John 17. So much so that God has put it on my heart to write and publish a book on that universal call. The book is a parable, in the form of a short novel, entitled "Heartland". Please read more about this quest (and a little more about me) on the book's website - just google "heartlandaparable". It is something you can all relate to, I'm sure.

Thank you for having me on this forum. It is good to be amongst friends who share the same goal - unity in Christ. I'm hoping to find more time to check out some of the discussions and to participate. I hold you all up in prayer and ask you to pray for me too.

Sincerely,

Charles ]]> Introductions CharlesFivaz http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/introductions/5146-kinda-new-here.html Colossians 2:16-17 http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/bible-chat/5145-colossians-2-16-17-a.html Mon, 06 Sep 2010 05:07:49 GMT Do these verses really say that the Ten Commandments are no longer applicable to Christians? Watch these two vids and let's discuss.

YouTube - WHAT LAW WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS? PT 1

YouTube - WHAT LAW WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS? PT 2 ]]> Bible Chat RND http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/bible-chat/5145-colossians-2-16-17-a.html I am financially clean http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/christianity-finances/5144-i-am-financially-clean.html Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:14:53 GMT Some years ago now it was reported in the news that people in the UK owed a total of a trillion pounds. I knew that I was part of that problem, and I took drastic action. I now owe (I think) less than fifty pounds to other people, which is less money than I have in the bank. This feels good. I feel that I am financially clean. Now of course I am not saying that it is wrong to owe money, but it is easy to let borrowing take over our lives. Some years ago now it was reported in the news that people in the UK owed a total of a trillion pounds. I knew that I was part of that problem, and I took drastic action.

I now owe (I think) less than fifty pounds to other people, which is less money than I have in the bank. This feels good. I feel that I am financially clean.

Now of course I am not saying that it is wrong to owe money, but it is easy to let borrowing take over our lives. ]]> Pilgrim http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/christianity-finances/5144-i-am-financially-clean.html Is this true? http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/bible-chat/5143-true.html Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:03:36 GMT I am ready to become a christian but the thing is when I was still "sinning" I used the word "God D**n" a couple of times but I have now repented and haven't used the word since and I DEFINITELY want to become a born again christian, but the thing is I heard people say if you use that word even ONCE, you'll go to hell and never be forgiven, no matter if you never say it again or not. it's the end of you...is that true?? ]]> Bible Chat sasha1984 http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/bible-chat/5143-true.html Sinning Christians Wont Enter The Kingdom Of Heaven http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/5142-sinning-christians-wont-enter-kingdom-heaven.html Sun, 05 Sep 2010 05:04:53 GMT Do you imagine he will forgive your druken feasts while you are still sittting at the gluttons table?! Shall he forgive your profanity when your tongue is still quivering with a curse?! Do you realy think that God will forgive your daily sins... when you repeat them agains and again... wilfully plunging into the mire? He is willing to wash thee.. but not for the sake of giveing you a license to plunge into the mud over and again. Well" I hear somone say, "I do feel that such a change has taken place in me." I am glad to hear it, my dear sir. But I must ask you a further question. Because of divine transformation is not merely an outward act....but is a transformation of the inner soul as well; the new man (born of God) not only does no want to sin outwardly as he used to.. but he no longer wants to sin and he used to. The flesh pots of Egypt somtimes send up a sweet smell in his nostrils, and when he passes by another man's house, where the leek and garlic and onion are streaming int the air, he half wishes to go back to his Egyptian bodage to be sure. But in a moment he checks himself saying, "No, no. The heavenly manna is better than this; the water that flows out of the rock is sweeter than the waters of the Nile, and I cannot turn back to my old slavery under my old tyrant" There may be temptations. Nay THERE WILL BE TEMPTATIONS. But the soul of the new creation rejects them...and agonizes to do everything possible to cast them out! His very heart longs to be free from every sin. And if he could be perfectly righteous he would. There is not one sin he would spare....even if he was assured of the pardon in advance. If you want to give him pleasure, the old ways are not the things to bring before him. To participate in those would only bring him pain and regret now. Because it is not merely his customs and habits that have changed. Its his NATURE that has changed! You have not put new leaves on the tree. But there is a new root ot and no merely new branches but a new trunk too with new sap. And there will be new fruit as the result of the newness. A glorious transformation has been wrought by gracious God! Repentance has become so real and complete that the man is NOT the man he used to be...He is a new CREATION in Christ Jesus! If you are renewed by grace and were to meet your old self again, I am sure you would be very anxious to get out of his company! You would say,"Im sorry, sir, but I cannot spend time with the likes of somone who does what you do." To which your old self might say: "why? You used to swear!?" "Well I cannot now!"..... "Well But" says he "you and I are very close companions." "Yes I know we are. And I wish we were not. You are a great deal of trouble to me, every day. In fact, I wish I could get rid of you forever!" "But", says your old self, "you used to drink quite a bit." "Yes I know. I know thou did, old self. Thou coudst sing a bar song as merrily as anyone! In fact you were the ring leader in all sorts of vice! But I am no relative of thine now. Thou are of the OLD Adam and I am of the NEW adam. Thou art of thy father the devil. But I have another- my Father who is in heaven." I tell you. bretheren, there is no man in the world you will hate as much as your old self, and there will be nothing you will so much long to get rid of, as that old man who once was draggin thee down to hell.... And who will try his hand at it everday you live, and who will accomplish it yet, unless that divine grace that justifies you, also santifies you!!" Charles Spurgeon]]> Repentance is a requirement and sign of true faith, if we have not repentance we also have not saving faith.

I like what Charles Spurgeon had to say in a sermon:

"Tell me not oh deceptive business man that you have repented and turned to Christ when lying practices still fill your business.
Tell me not thou who wast once a drunkard that thou hast turned to God while thine cup is dear to thee and thou canst still wallow in in by excess.

Come not to me and say you have repented, thou greedy wretch whilst thou art yet still grinding every last penny our of some helpless tradesman whom thou hast taken like a spider in the net.

Come not to me and say thou art forgiven when thou still harbors revenge and hatred against thy brother and speak evil of him.
Thou liest to thine own confusion. Thy boldness is more brazen than the local ***** if thou darest to say "I have repented" when thine arms are up to the elbows in the filth of thine iniquity! Nay man... God will not forgive your lusts while you are still reveling in the bed of your sin>

Do you imagine he will forgive your druken feasts while you are still sittting at the gluttons table?!
Shall he forgive your profanity when your tongue is still quivering with a curse?!

Do you realy think that God will forgive your daily sins... when you repeat them agains and again... wilfully plunging into the mire? He is willing to wash thee.. but not for the sake of giveing you a license to plunge into the mud over and again.
Well" I hear somone say, "I do feel that such a change has taken place in me." I am glad to hear it, my dear sir. But I must ask you a further question. Because of divine transformation is not merely an outward act....but is a transformation of the inner soul as well; the new man (born of God) not only does no want to sin outwardly as he used to.. but he no longer wants to sin and he used to.

The flesh pots of Egypt somtimes send up a sweet smell in his nostrils, and when he passes by another man's house, where the leek and garlic and onion are streaming int the air, he half wishes to go back to his Egyptian bodage to be sure.
But in a moment he checks himself saying, "No, no. The heavenly manna is better than this; the water that flows out of the rock is sweeter than the waters of the Nile, and I cannot turn back to my old slavery under my old tyrant" There may be temptations.

Nay THERE WILL BE TEMPTATIONS. But the soul of the new creation rejects them...and agonizes to do everything possible to cast them out! His very heart longs to be free from every sin. And if he could be perfectly righteous he would.
There is not one sin he would spare....even if he was assured of the pardon in advance. If you want to give him pleasure, the old ways are not the things to bring before him. To participate in those would only bring him pain and regret now.
Because it is not merely his customs and habits that have changed.

Its his NATURE that has changed! You have not put new leaves on the tree. But there is a new root ot and no merely new branches but a new trunk too with new sap.

And there will be new fruit as the result of the newness. A glorious transformation has been wrought by gracious God! Repentance has become so real and complete that the man is NOT the man he used to be...He is a new CREATION in Christ Jesus!

If you are renewed by grace and were to meet your old self again, I am sure you would be very anxious to get out of his company! You would say,"Im sorry, sir, but I cannot spend time with the likes of somone who does what you do."
To which your old self might say: "why? You used to swear!?"
"Well I cannot now!".....

"Well But" says he "you and I are very close companions." "Yes I know we are. And I wish we were not. You are a great deal of trouble to me, every day. In fact, I wish I could get rid of you forever!"

"But", says your old self, "you used to drink quite a bit." "Yes I know. I know thou did, old self. Thou coudst sing a bar song as merrily as anyone! In fact you were the ring leader in all sorts of vice! But I am no relative of thine now. Thou are of the OLD Adam and I am of the NEW adam.

Thou art of thy father the devil. But I have another- my Father who is in heaven." I tell you. bretheren, there is no man in the world you will hate as much as your old self, and there will be nothing you will so much long to get rid of, as that old man who once was draggin thee down to hell....

And who will try his hand at it everday you live, and who will accomplish it yet, unless that divine grace that justifies you, also santifies you!!"

Charles Spurgeon ]]> General Discussions 1onetheone http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/5142-sinning-christians-wont-enter-kingdom-heaven.html Father dont like me.... http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/christianity-family/5141-father-dont-like-me.html Sun, 05 Sep 2010 02:19:22 GMT I am dating this girl that i love and do believe she is the one. in fact the only reason we havent married is because her family dislikes me. we are trying to get it to were her family will except her decision but dont know how to go about it. we know he would say no if i asked. how should we handle this situation? I am dating this girl that i love and do believe she is the one. in fact the only reason we havent married is because her family dislikes me. we are trying to get it to were her family will except her decision but dont know how to go about it. we know he would say no if i asked. how should we handle this situation? ]]> SoldierofGod http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/christianity-family/5141-father-dont-like-me.html Bible Not The Word Of God? My story http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/bible-chat/5140-bible-not-word-god-my-story.html Sun, 05 Sep 2010 02:08:51 GMT An introduction to myself and what has been revealed to me:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 1John

Jesus said:
You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, John 5

Yes, JESUS is the word of God the bible is not the word of God, it is the written word of mans testimony led and inspired by the holy spirit and through personal eyewitness.

Most People don't know the word of God because they have no personal relationship with the word of God who is Jesus Christ in heaven.

Most study endless scriptures and have so much bible knowledge yet they have no personal relationship with Jesus. They have never met God.

They do not hear Jesus' voice. Nor do they live free from sin because the scriptures cannot save them. Jesus has revealed his reality to me and changed my life so I sin no more. He changed my heart to be able to win against temptation. Yes he made me righteous, he revealed himself to me. He is the way the truth and the life.

I found Jesus wasn't deaf that he coulnt hear nor dumb that he coulnt speak.

Scripture study guided by the holy spirit is of benefit but how can one be saved if they don't seek Jesus and what he wants for them? How can anyone be saved if they wont leave their scripture and come to Jesus?

For Jesus indeed said the truth: You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,

Many people put pastors and ministers between them and God but Jesus says come to me and I will give you wisdom. Paul also said to people if you want wisdom then go to the Lord. Don't rely on man, many fall because of this.

I have much more to say on this but I hope people will realize what I have found that I found Jesus in prayer and seeking, and separated myself from endless scripture and unreality of Jesus in churches and also of separating myself from the world and its pursuits.

When I follow Jesus its not in the mind, intellectual isn't spiritual. ]]> Bible Chat 1onetheone http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/bible-chat/5140-bible-not-word-god-my-story.html Modern day money changers http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/5139-modern-day-money-changers.html Sun, 05 Sep 2010 02:06:28 GMT Would someone promoting or selling their own CD, DVD's or books be considered as one of those in Matthew 21:12?

Or the worship team selling a CD?

A guest speaker selling their CD or books?

A baseball team selling candy?

That's the short list, but basically things along those lines?

Matthew 21:12
[ Jesus at the Temple ] Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. ]]> General Discussions EvanT http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/5139-modern-day-money-changers.html