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Old 12-27-2011, 03:39 PM
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Theistic Evolutionists are regarded as pseudo/phoney Evolutionists by real Evolutionists and pseudo/phoney Christians by Creationist/Christians -since they are Lukewarm and neither hot nor cold it seems they are,even,rejected by God according to Rev/Apoc.3:16 - btw there is a natural and common unity between Christian Creationists,so Christian Evolutionist come home - twinc

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Old 12-27-2011, 10:18 PM
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If, by theistic evolution, you mean that God started the whole process or is continuously controlling the process, then there is literally no difference between either of those scenarios and what you call 'real' evolution. The process remains the same.

There's no difference between a Christian who believes in theistic evolution and an atheist. They are both on the same side of the fence with the glassy eyed fundamentalist creationists on the other side.
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:21 AM
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If, by theistic evolution, you mean that God started the whole process or is continuously controlling the process, then there is literally no difference between either of those scenarios and what you call 'real' evolution. The process remains the same.

There's no difference between a Christian who believes in theistic evolution and an atheist. They are both on the same side of the fence with the glassy eyed fundamentalist creationists on the other side.
since evolution did not and could not happen to say God started the process is to make an idiot God - Theistic and atheistic evolution are different - Catholic doctrine of Creation is simul et ex nihilo which rules out evolution - via Google search box see [response to L Conte jr]and video at[Catholic doctrine of Creation video] and [Catechism/CCC 327] - twinc
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Theistic and atheistic evolution are different
Take it up with the Pope, Twinc.

Pope Benedict XVI said the debate raging in some countries — particularly the United States and his native Germany — between creationism and evolution was an “absurdity,” saying that evolution can coexist with faith.

“They (Creation and evolution) are presented as alternatives that exclude each other,” the pope said. “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”
Pope: Creation vs. evolution an ?absurdity? - World news - Europe - The Vatican - msnbc.com
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:31 PM
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I am pretty sure I fall in the glassy eyed group! :P
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Old 12-28-2011, 08:08 PM
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The evolution of the Universe was script written by the Creator... the script cannot exist on its own. A programmer can program the evolution of the Universe in a super computer - from the big bang forward... after the program is written, all that is left is to hit the "run" button. The program begins.... The "Big Bang," gravity, the formation of stars, planets and eventually life. ***Is it only "creation" if after "run" is clicked, everything appears all at once?

The Universe grew from a seed - it changed over time i.e. it evolved. Evolution does not remove God from anything - it simply describes the growth process of the Universe.
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:51 AM
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The evolution of the Universe was script written by the Creator... the script cannot exist on its own. A programmer can program the evolution of the Universe in a super computer - from the big bang forward... after the program is written, all that is left is to hit the "run" button. The program begins.... The "Big Bang," gravity, the formation of stars, planets and eventually life. ***Is it only "creation" if after "run" is clicked, everything appears all at once?

The Universe grew from a seed - it changed over time i.e. it evolved. Evolution does not remove God from anything - it simply describes the growth process of the Universe.
it did not evolve - it had to be and was complete and fully functioning from the very start - hence the Cambrian explosion and not the Big Bang - twinc
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Take it up with the Pope, Twinc.

Pope Benedict XVI said the debate raging in some countries — particularly the United States and his native Germany — between creationism and evolution was an “absurdity,” saying that evolution can coexist with faith.

“They (Creation and evolution) are presented as alternatives that exclude each other,” the pope said. “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”
Pope: Creation vs. evolution an ?absurdity? - World news - Europe - The Vatican - msnbc.com

of course evolution can and does coexist with faith,of this there is not and cannot be any doubt - it is not micro evolution but original or macro evolution that did not and cannot happen that is questioned and rejected and is forbidden and anathema for Catholics as is also Theistic Evolution via an idiot God - btw there was an indisputable Cambrian Explosion but no Big Bang and there has been no evolution,as such,after the Cambrian explosion - twinc

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...btw there was an indisputable Cambrian Explosion...
According to the incomplete fossil record.
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...but no Big Bang...
If you ignore the evidence of redshift, cosmic background radiation, the abundance of primordial elements and gas clouds, galactic evolution and distribution, and most other observable phenomena being explainable under that model.
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...and there has been no evolution,as such,after the Cambrian explosion
Unless you count the existence of virtually all land based life which evolved after the Cambrian explosion.
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Old 12-29-2011, 04:51 PM
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According to the incomplete fossil record.

If you ignore the evidence of redshift, cosmic background radiation, the abundance of primordial elements and gas clouds, galactic evolution and distribution, and most other observable phenomena being explainable under that model.

Unless you count the existence of virtually all land based life which evolved after the Cambrian explosion.

Big Bang after being in big big trouble has been given the Big Boot and most other assumed phenomena supposedly explained under that non existant model - all land based life ex global flood was ex Ark - twinc
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