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Old 11-12-2009, 12:00 PM
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A warning to doubters. You can only prove this wrong by taking it apart sentance by sentance. You must disprove by logic and reason. Just a stupid I dont believe this shows you cannot disprove this . Not one christian has ever come forward to disprove Dr Ivan Panin. Not in 60 yrs of asking has anyone disproved the number seven in the Bible. It would take a modern computer 1,000 yrs to write just the first chapter in the code of seven God has done.


COMPUTER VERIFICATION OF A MIRACLE
GENESIS 1:1
The Bible begins with "IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH." The number of words, in this one verse, in the original Hebrew (which was the language of the Old Testament) is SEVEN words.

These SEVEN words have 28 letters (4x7). These 28 letters are divided like this: The first three words (containing the subject and predicate of the sentence - "In the beginning God created".) have 14 letters (2x7); the last four words (containing the object of the sentence - "the heavens and the earth".) also have 14 letters (2x7). The last four words are thus subdivided: The fourth and fifth words (containing one object -"the heavens".) have SEVEN (1x7) letters; the sixth and SEVENTH words (containing the second object -"and the earth".) also have SEVEN (1x7) letters. In relation to the importance of the words, themselves, the 28 letters are thus divided: The three leading words, GOD the subject, heaven and earth the two objects, have 14 letters (2x7); the four words have also 14 (2x7).

The numeric value of the first, middle, and last letters of this sentence is 133 (19x7), while the numeric value of the first and last letters of all seven words in this verse is 1393 (199x7). The first and last letters of the first and last words have 497 (71x7); the remaining words (between the first and last) have 896 (2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 7). We break this amount down due to the factors being SEVEN and TWO taken as a factor SEVEN times. The three important nouns, God, heaven, earth, have 14 letters (2x7). The numeric value is 777 (111x7). The one verb, created has 203(29x7).

In this verse of only SEVEN words there are some repetitions. The untranslatable particle ETH occurs twice. The numeric value of these repetitions is 406 (58x7).

This whole sequence should be referenced through Hebrews 13:8 where it says that Jesus Christ is "the same yesterday, and today, and for ever" and where God, Himself answers Moses, in Exodus 3:14, that He is the "I AM", meaning that he was before all things and will be forever the same. We then conclude that: (1) If God is the same at all times and, by His own word, does not change, then the numeric phenomena, briefly shown above, should be a measure of whether God wrote the remainder of Genesis, or the Books of Exodus, or Jonah, or any other Old Testament, phrase or Book and (2) It would also hold true for the New Testament, even though the New Testament was written in Greek, the phenomena should hold true in IDENTICAL patterns. Finally, (3) We can also use the progressions of numerics as a test of other text that have been claimed as revelations from God. If the language of the ORIGINAL text is not Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic/Chaldean, then sufficient kinds of the numeric structures will be evident in as much as the language will permit. We ask that you take any of these text and test them against these structures. If they contain any multiple of the numerics shown here, we would like to have you communicate with us by directing a copy of the text, source of the text, and your name, address, and phone information.

Now, with this "key" provided us in Genesis 1:1, we proceeded to analyze the whole Bible. Keep in mind that there are in excess of three million words or twenty million characters in the 66 Books of the Bible. Also keep in mind that the "evidence" we are about to present would be null and void, in most cases, if EVEN ONE CHARACTER WERE DELETED, CHANGED OR ADDED!

"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times."

Psalms 12:8
The results of our complete Bible investigation and analysis is thus:

The NUMBER of WORDS in the VOCABULARY will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of WORDS that begin with a vowel will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of WORDS that begin with a consonant will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of WORDS that begin with each letter of the language's alphabet will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of WORDS that occur more than once will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of WORDS that occur in only one form will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of WORDS that occur in more than one form will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of WORDS that occur in more than one form will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of WORDS that are nouns will divide evenly by SEVEN (***).

The NUMBER of WORDS that are not nouns will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of LETTERS in the vocabulary will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of LETTERS that are vowels will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of LETTERS that are consonants will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of PROPER NAMES will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of MALE PROPER NAMES will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER of FEMALE PROPER NAMES will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The TOTAL NUMERIC VALUE OF ALL THE WORDS will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMERIC VALUE OF THE VARIOUS FORMS in which the words occur will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER OF WORDS THAT ARE FOUND IN ONLY ONE BOOK OF THE BIBLE will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER OF PROMISES FOUND in the BIBLE will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER OF GENERATIONS FROM ABRAHAM TO JESUS CHRIST will divide evenly by SEVEN.

The NUMBER OF DISPENSATION OF PERIODS is SEVEN.

The BOOK OF REVELATION outlines SEVEN PLAGUES that will be made on the Earth and its Peoples.
YHWH num= 7
Yeshua num=8
Man num=6
The Bible is Gods word, be afraid be very afraid nuclear war is coming and ARMAGEDDON is the fate of the warring creature man.
Please study the old testament
Sin cerly Craig
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Old 11-12-2009, 02:29 PM
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Now do it with the French translation.
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Old 11-12-2009, 02:42 PM
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The Bible is Gods word, be afraid be very afraid nuclear war is coming and ARMAGEDDON is the fate of the warring creature man.
Impressive! I assume your point is that the mathematical probability of all of the above proves numerically that the bible is supernaturally of God.

Are you sure it's nuclear war and not the "giant asteroid" (that creates similar effects), that's coming? Does nuclear war figure into your 7's theory somehow?

Verrry Interrresttting! What do you make of the "bible code?"
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Old 11-17-2009, 06:50 AM
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Redeemed said;

Are you sure it's nuclear war and not the "giant asteroid" (that creates similar effects), that's coming? Does nuclear war figure into your 7's theory somehow?

Verrry Interrresttting! What do you make of the "bible code?" ................
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Craig ;
Thanks for seeing the differance between the number seven and Bible codes. The fact that Bible codes exist is left up to hollywood not for my discussion of the numbering system in the Bible!
However does the Bible predict the future events on the earth, ABSOULUTELY.
How did Daniel and Ezekiel and John on the Isle of Patmos witness futre events that have not taken place yet? Explain how he saw the future?


Thanks for your interest, is it not fascinating for a mathmatical mind to find out that the first chapter of Matt contains the same number seven system, as does Genesis.

THE GENEALOGY OF OUR LORD IAOSHUA "Jesus"
The genealogy of IAOSHUA "Jesus" as found in Matthew 1:1-17 consist of two main divisions: Verses 1-11 cover the period from Abraham and Isaac the father of Jacob-Israel, to the Captivity.

Index.
LOOKING AT PART 1
The Vocabulary has 49 (7x7) words. Of these 49 words, 28 (4x7) begin with a vowel; and 21 (3x7) begin with a consonant. Seven (1x7) words end with a vowel and 42 (6x7) end with a consonant.

These 49 words consist of 266 (38x7 or 2x197) letters. Of these 266 letters, 140 (20x7 or 4x5x7 or 2x2x5x7) are vowels and 126 (18x7 or 2x9x7) are consonants. Of these 49 words, 35 (5x7) occur more than once in this passage while 14 (2x7) occur only once. Seven (1x7) occur in more than one form while 42 (6x7) occur in only one form. Of the 49 (7x7) words, 42 (6x7) ar nouns while 7 (1x7) are not nouns. Of these nouns, 35 (5x7) are proper names and 7 (1x7) are common nouns. Of the proper names, 28 (4x7) are male ancestors while 7 (1x7) are not male ancestors.

If we take a look at the Birth of IAOSHUA "Jesus" in verses 18-25, we find the following:

The Number of words is 161 ........................ 23x7
Their Numeric Value is 93,394 ................. 13,342x7
The Number of Vocabulary is 77 .................... 11x7
The Numeric Value of the Vocabulary is 51,247 .. 7,321x7
There are six words found nowhere else but in Matthew:

Their Numeric Value is 5,005 ..................... 715x7
These six words have 56 letters .................... 8x7
The 161 words occur in 105 forms .................. 15x7
The Numeric Value of these forms is 65,429 ..... 9,347x7
In these 105 forms are 35 verbs .................... 5x7
There are 7 proper names ........................... 1x7
The number of letters in these proper names is 42... 6x7
One word EMMANUEL is used nowhere else in the New Testament and it has a Numeric Value of 644 ... 92x7
(add the figures 644 together for a sum of 14) ..... 2x7
The number forms exclusive to this passage by Matthew is 14 ................................... 2x7
Their Numeric Value is 8,715 ................... 1,245x7
Index.

BY CHANCE?
1 in 10 to the power of 169 or 1 followed by 169 zeros!!

LOOK AT THE WORDS OF THE ANGEL TO JOSEPH

The angel used 28 of the 77 vocabulary words .......... 4x7
The Numeric Value of all the angel's words is 21,042 ................................... 3,006x7
The angel used 35 forms ............................... 5x7
These 35 forms have 168 letters ...................... 24x7
The Numeric Value of these letters is 19,397 ...... 2,771x7
The angel did not use 49 vocabulary words ............. 7x7
The angel did not use 70 forms ....................... 10x7

The Chances of this being an accident or by human design is ONE in 206,000,000,000,000,000,000 (206 QUINTILLION- 21 digits).

PLease study the old testament
Sin cerly Craig
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Old 11-19-2009, 12:34 PM
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Redeemed said;

Are you sure it's nuclear war and not the "giant asteroid" (that creates similar effects), that's coming? Does nuclear war figure into your 7's theory somehow?

Verrry Interrresttting! What do you make of the "bible code?" ................
............................................................ ....................................

Craig ;
Thanks for seeing the differance between the number seven and Bible codes. The fact that Bible codes exist is left up to hollywood not for my discussion of the numbering system in the Bible!
However does the Bible predict the future events on the earth, ABSOULUTELY.
How did Daniel and Ezekiel and John on the Isle of Patmos witness futre events that have not taken place yet? Explain how he saw the future?


Thanks for your interest, is it not fascinating for a mathmatical mind to find out that the first chapter of Matt contains the same number seven system, as does Genesis.

THE GENEALOGY OF OUR LORD IAOSHUA "Jesus"
The genealogy of IAOSHUA "Jesus" as found in Matthew 1:1-17 consist of two main divisions: Verses 1-11 cover the period from Abraham and Isaac the father of Jacob-Israel, to the Captivity.

Index.
LOOKING AT PART 1
The Vocabulary has 49 (7x7) words. Of these 49 words, 28 (4x7) begin with a vowel; and 21 (3x7) begin with a consonant. Seven (1x7) words end with a vowel and 42 (6x7) end with a consonant.

These 49 words consist of 266 (38x7 or 2x197) letters. Of these 266 letters, 140 (20x7 or 4x5x7 or 2x2x5x7) are vowels and 126 (18x7 or 2x9x7) are consonants. Of these 49 words, 35 (5x7) occur more than once in this passage while 14 (2x7) occur only once. Seven (1x7) occur in more than one form while 42 (6x7) occur in only one form. Of the 49 (7x7) words, 42 (6x7) ar nouns while 7 (1x7) are not nouns. Of these nouns, 35 (5x7) are proper names and 7 (1x7) are common nouns. Of the proper names, 28 (4x7) are male ancestors while 7 (1x7) are not male ancestors.

If we take a look at the Birth of IAOSHUA "Jesus" in verses 18-25, we find the following:

The Number of words is 161 ........................ 23x7
Their Numeric Value is 93,394 ................. 13,342x7
The Number of Vocabulary is 77 .................... 11x7
The Numeric Value of the Vocabulary is 51,247 .. 7,321x7
There are six words found nowhere else but in Matthew:

Their Numeric Value is 5,005 ..................... 715x7
These six words have 56 letters .................... 8x7
The 161 words occur in 105 forms .................. 15x7
The Numeric Value of these forms is 65,429 ..... 9,347x7
In these 105 forms are 35 verbs .................... 5x7
There are 7 proper names ........................... 1x7
The number of letters in these proper names is 42... 6x7
One word EMMANUEL is used nowhere else in the New Testament and it has a Numeric Value of 644 ... 92x7
(add the figures 644 together for a sum of 14) ..... 2x7
The number forms exclusive to this passage by Matthew is 14 ................................... 2x7
Their Numeric Value is 8,715 ................... 1,245x7
Index.

BY CHANCE?
1 in 10 to the power of 169 or 1 followed by 169 zeros!!

LOOK AT THE WORDS OF THE ANGEL TO JOSEPH

The angel used 28 of the 77 vocabulary words .......... 4x7
The Numeric Value of all the angel's words is 21,042 ................................... 3,006x7
The angel used 35 forms ............................... 5x7
These 35 forms have 168 letters ...................... 24x7
The Numeric Value of these letters is 19,397 ...... 2,771x7
The angel did not use 49 vocabulary words ............. 7x7
The angel did not use 70 forms ....................... 10x7

The Chances of this being an accident or by human design is ONE in 206,000,000,000,000,000,000 (206 QUINTILLION- 21 digits).

PLease study the old testament
Sin cerly Craig
Old Testament? "The sacrifice of a lamb" After you crunch this through your table of contents....what does this mean? 21 divided by 3 = 7. I would have never guessed. The sacrifice of a lamb equals 7 . So the 7 sons of Sceva is 21? I'm not all that sure what this means to you. What is God saying to you through these numbers? Many of the Prophets are Old Testament. Can you use these numbers as a witness of the things Jesus did for me when I heard the word of God and believed, repented and followed in the teaching Jesus gave me? Are these numbers a religion brought to focus by a man 60 years ago?

Jesus used images, because He knew we needed someone to draw a big picture for us. How many disciples? When the image of a 'certain' man is used; Is this the name of a man (Certain), or are we invited to wear the shoes?

If God is showing you something, than it is your gift to show us what it means on a personal level. This is why there are so many parts of the body. Which part are you? I need you to show me?
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Old 11-23-2009, 10:05 AM
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Yaright said;
If God is showing you something, than it is your gift to show us what it means on a personal level. This is why there are so many parts of the body. Which part are you? I need you to show me?
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Craig;

I dont understand your questions!

Are you serious or having fun with me.

Your questions are not clear!

Ask a direct question and I will answer gladly.

Sin cerly Craig
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Old 11-24-2009, 01:19 AM
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It's very clear Craig...and there's no shadow of trying to play with you...
When Jesus spoke in parables (or number analogies?)...it was so that those who could see would see and those who were blind would remain blind...there's always meaning and understanding in what He says for those who can hear what the Spirit (of the Word) says....so the question is...what says "the Spirit" within this message you have written? What is it that God has shown you...taught you...of "Life" in this message you have offered as Bread to others?
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It's very clear Craig...and there's no shadow of trying to play with you...
When Jesus spoke in parables (or number analogies?)...it was so that those who could see would see and those who were blind would remain blind...there's always meaning and understanding in what He says for those who can hear what the Spirit (of the Word) says....so the question is...what says "the Spirit" within this message you have written? What is it that God has shown you...taught you...of "Life" in this message you have offered as Bread to others?

Very well said!
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I get it, Craig. In fact, I believe this works in the New Testament as well, using the language it originally was written in.

The point is, in the scripture's original written language (not in the translations), any way you want to slice or dice these scriptures, you are going to find a number divisible by seven.

This can be used as an acid test for any of those other books that did not find their way into the bible we know of today; to determine if they, too, are inspired of God.

This and more is well documented and communicated in "Cosmic Codes" a textbook by Chuck Missler. You'll need to use your favorite search engine to look the title up, I'm not able to provide a link.

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Detenburn,

Your first paragraph had 24 words in it: 2 + 4 = 6.

Your second had 33: 3 + 3 = 6.

Your third had 36: 36 = 6 x 6

Your fourth had 36: 36 = 6 x 6

Your post is number 9 as is the number of letters in ‘Detenburn” 9 is just a 6 upside down.

The characters in your post total 151: 151 degrees Fahrenheit = 66 degrees Centrigrade.

Need I say more…
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