Originally Posted by Soulheart3
I think hes trying to say...that although science tells us its hereditary (homosexuality), they are wrong...and he's trying to point to things that show science to be wrong about some things in general.
Bob, I think Soulheart is right and I know that many feel this way along with you. But I don't think that is an accurate assessment of some of the medical issues related to the genetics of sexuality. I'm not going to defend Dean Hamer's erroneous "gay gene" stance of a few years back, but that seems to be the only research most Christians know about. I tried to touch on this issue over on the C.A.B.O. site once and was seen as "attacking" when I questioned if those who clearly have medical evidence of genetic sexual mutations have the same rights as those without. This is some information about how many children (US only I believe) are born with genetic changes that effect their sexuality. This list is of those illnesses that current fall under the "intersexual" categories and it's from that website I take this info. Some would be considered "hermaphrodites", some gay, some bisexuals... etc. Many of these illnesses have only been identified in the last 50 years. It's not just a mental choice to them, their body chemistry is different. Note at the bottom how many births this effects!
"If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. But a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, some of which won’t show up until later in life.
Below we provide a summary of statistics drawn from an article by Brown University researcher Anne Fausto-Sterling.2 The basis for that article was an extensive review of the medical literature from 1955 to 1998 aimed at producing numeric estimates for the frequency of sex variations. Note that the frequency of some of these conditions, such as congenital adrenal hyperplasia, differs for different populations. These statistics are approximations."
Not XX and not XY one in 1,666 births
Klinefelter (XXY) one in 1,000 births
Androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 13,000 births
Partial androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 130,000 births
Classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia one in 13,000 births
Late onset adrenal hyperplasia one in 66 individuals
Vaginal agenesis one in 6,000 births
Ovotestes one in 83,000 births
Idiopathic (no discernable medical cause) one in 110,000 births
Iatrogenic (caused by medical treatment, for instance progestin administered to pregnant mother) no estimate
5 alpha reductase deficiency no estimate
Mixed gonadal dysgenesis no estimate
Complete gonadal dysgenesis one in 150,000 births
Hypospadias (urethral opening in perineum or along penile shaft) one in 2,000 births
Hypospadias (urethral opening between corona and tip of glans *****) one in 770 births Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female one in 100 births
Total number of people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance one or two in 1,000 births
So when we talk about "homosexuality" or deviations from the standard gender identity, IMO we really do have to take into consideration that there is a physical difference in many people that changes their sexuality and it's not "a choice" to them but often a true struggle to live up to the moral standards that they hold or are placed on them. Please accept this as being offered as educational, not confrontationally. Peggy