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Old 05-18-2009, 11:52 AM
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For all those who chose believe some scientist over what God says. It was science that taught the world was flat until they proved themselves wrong. A pattern repeated time and again. The Bible has not changed. Homosexuality is a sin.
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For all those who chose believe some scientist over what God says. It was science that taught the world was flat until they proved themselves wrong. A pattern repeated time and again. The Bible has not changed. Homosexuality is a sin.
Is there some connection that you are trying to make here, Bob?

And in any case, there are still some good folk who maintain that it is flat (although I'm not sure if they're homosexual):

theflatearthsociety.org - Index

Have a browse...it will keep you amused for ages.

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Old 05-18-2009, 05:44 PM
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Personally I believe both God and science. Sure there are some areas in which they're at odds, but that will all iron itself out. As for the "earth is flat=homosexual" idea, all I can say is "LOL!" That's just too funny! I know that's not what you meant justabob, but Brad nailed you good!
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:01 PM
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Is there some connection that you are trying to make here, Bob?

And in any case, there are still some good folk who maintain that it is flat (although I'm not sure if they're homosexual):

theflatearthsociety.org - Index

Have a browse...it will keep you amused for ages.
Thanks to you I have now learned:
"the air can't fall of the edge of the earth because of dark energy and the clouds don't fall down because there is something occupying the space on the ground(more air)."
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For all those who chose believe some scientist over what God says. It was science that taught the world was flat until they proved themselves wrong. A pattern repeated time and again. The Bible has not changed. Homosexuality is a sin.
Actually it was the religious types who believed and preached the world was flat long before there was such a thing as a scientist. And as I recall someone was nearly burned at the stake by the church for saying the world was round.
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:21 AM
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sometimes its fun to be a little controversial just to stir things up.

any christian historian knows true science started in the church.

but science will never be able to prove the biggest part of faith----The existence of the spiritual world. if you put all your eggs in the science basket faith will always come up short.

the spiritual world is superior to and overides the physical world. so no matter what science might say or try to prove GOD is always right in the end. from the beginning of the bible to the end God has been consistent in the statement of homosexuality. It does not change. no matter what science lies to us about.

the physical world is tainted with sin and faulty and so is science. It can not be 1oo% true unless it agrees with the bible and God. any thing else is false science.

yes religion can and is also tainted by man as well. people suffer the same sinful state and religious leaders are people. Oh ouch I am not perfect anymore. darn

we too must read the bible correctly in order fro the truth to be known.
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:35 AM
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the flat world theory isnt the best thing to prove science makes huge blunders, and science does (like for instance electro shock therapy and most weapons of war and destruction for the last couple centuries-and I am not talking defensive like Mr. Colt and his peacemaker), but hey, our job as christians is to spread peace and Joy and salvation, not point fingers at others who blunder (we do enough of that ourselves and should get the splinters/planks/redwood trees out of our own eyes first to better see how to get the splinter out of anothers eye.
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from the beginning of the bible to the end God has been consistent in the statement of homosexuality. It does not change. no matter what science lies to us about.
Bob, you've made two posts in this thread and they both tie in science and homosexuality.

I'm sure you'll be able to reconcile them. I can't...
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Bob, you've made two posts in this thread and they both tie in science and homosexuality.

I'm sure you'll be able to reconcile them. I can't...
I think hes trying to say...that although science tells us its hereditary (homosexuality), they are wrong...and he's trying to point to things that show science to be wrong about some things in general.
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I think hes trying to say...that although science tells us its hereditary (homosexuality), they are wrong...and he's trying to point to things that show science to be wrong about some things in general.
Bob, I think Soulheart is right and I know that many feel this way along with you. But I don't think that is an accurate assessment of some of the medical issues related to the genetics of sexuality. I'm not going to defend Dean Hamer's erroneous "gay gene" stance of a few years back, but that seems to be the only research most Christians know about. I tried to touch on this issue over on the C.A.B.O. site once and was seen as "attacking" when I questioned if those who clearly have medical evidence of genetic sexual mutations have the same rights as those without. This is some information about how many children (US only I believe) are born with genetic changes that effect their sexuality. This list is of those illnesses that current fall under the "intersexual" categories and it's from that website I take this info. Some would be considered "hermaphrodites", some gay, some bisexuals... etc. Many of these illnesses have only been identified in the last 50 years. It's not just a mental choice to them, their body chemistry is different. Note at the bottom how many births this effects!

"If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. But a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, some of which won’t show up until later in life.

Below we provide a summary of statistics drawn from an article by Brown University researcher Anne Fausto-Sterling.2 The basis for that article was an extensive review of the medical literature from 1955 to 1998 aimed at producing numeric estimates for the frequency of sex variations. Note that the frequency of some of these conditions, such as congenital adrenal hyperplasia, differs for different populations. These statistics are approximations."
Not XX and not XY one in 1,666 births
Klinefelter (XXY) one in 1,000 births
Androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 13,000 births
Partial androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 130,000 births
Classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia one in 13,000 births
Late onset adrenal hyperplasia one in 66 individuals
Vaginal agenesis one in 6,000 births
Ovotestes one in 83,000 births
Idiopathic (no discernable medical cause) one in 110,000 births
Iatrogenic (caused by medical treatment, for instance progestin administered to pregnant mother) no estimate
5 alpha reductase deficiency no estimate
Mixed gonadal dysgenesis no estimate
Complete gonadal dysgenesis one in 150,000 births
Hypospadias (urethral opening in perineum or along penile shaft) one in 2,000 births
Hypospadias (urethral opening between corona and tip of glans *****) one in 770 births
Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female one in 100 births
Total number of people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance one or two in 1,000 births

So when we talk about "homosexuality" or deviations from the standard gender identity, IMO we really do have to take into consideration that there is a physical difference in many people that changes their sexuality and it's not "a choice" to them but often a true struggle to live up to the moral standards that they hold or are placed on them. Please accept this as being offered as educational, not confrontationally. Peggy
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