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Old 01-27-2015, 11:50 AM
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Old 01-27-2015, 11:29 PM
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Liked it, but I am sure its logic will escape our resident atheists.
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Old 01-28-2015, 11:32 PM
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Like I've said before, there are still "string thoerists" who refuse to admit that it just kicks the can down the road.
There are a few episodes of "Big Bang Theory" in which Sheldon is trying to figure out what he is going to do with his life now that string theory has been proven to be bunk. Its pretty much common knowledge these days.
Since the discovery of the "echo", scientists have been dropping string theory and re-examining the Big Bang as the beginning.
Everything is arguable, though. Especially to those who are desperate to find any other explanation.
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Like I've said before, there are still "string thoerists" who refuse to admit that it just kicks the can down the road.
There are a few episodes of "Big Bang Theory" in which Sheldon is trying to figure out what he is going to do with his life now that string theory has been proven to be bunk. Its pretty much common knowledge these days.
Since the discovery of the "echo", scientists have been dropping string theory and re-examining the Big Bang as the beginning.
Everything is arguable, though. Especially to those who are desperate to find any other explanation.
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Even if the Big Bang theory were true, wouldn't it also prove the existence of a Creator God, because the mass which supposedly exploded had to have been Created.
Matter cannot Create itself, can it?

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Old 02-01-2015, 10:37 PM
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Even if the Big Bang theory were true, wouldn't it also prove the existence of a Creator God, because the mass which supposedly exploded had to have been Created.
Matter cannot Create itself, can it?

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That is the whole point.
The Big Bang also squares with a twist in the Genisis account that is seemingly inexplicable without it.
God created light on the first day, but, He didn't create the sun, moon and stars until the third day?
I've seen a lot of Christians dance, twist and spin trying to explain that.
3,500 years later science explained it and makes sense of it. The first effect of the Big Bang was the creation of a radio active cloud of dust. Radiation is light.
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Radiation is light.
Sorry, Ron - I'm giving you a fail for that. You've been given incorrect info. Light can be considered radiation but radiation is not necessarily light. In fact, it could be sound.

"Radiation is energy that comes from a source and travels through some material or through space. Light, heat and sound are types of radiation.
" https://orise.orau.gov/reacts/guide/define.htm

The background 'glow' left over from the radioactivity is actually heat in the form of microwaves. So unless God said 'Let there be Microwaves', Genesis isn't backed up by science at all.
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Sorry, Ron - I'm giving you a fail for that. You've been given incorrect info. Light can be considered radiation but radiation is not necessarily light. In fact, it could be sound.

"Radiation is energy that comes from a source and travels through some material or through space. Light, heat and sound are types of radiation.
" https://orise.orau.gov/reacts/guide/define.htm

The background 'glow' left over from the radioactivity is actually heat in the form of microwaves. So unless God said 'Let there be Microwaves', Genesis isn't backed up by science at all.
That is ridiculous. If I say "the Turkey is done" at Christmas, and someone like you says "you didn't say the corn is done," does that negate the veracity of the first statement? For this reason your statement that Genesis isn't backed up by Genesis AT ALL is ridiculous, and I want you to admit it, now.
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That is ridiculous. If I say "the Turkey is done" at Christmas, and someone like you says "you didn't say the corn is done," does that negate the veracity of the first statement? For this reason your statement that Genesis isn't backed up by Genesis AT ALL is ridiculous, and I want you to admit it, now.
If you say that the Big Bang created light you'd be wrong. It created microwave radiation, which is not light. In fact, the universe was opaque to radiation for thousands of years.

'This radiation was emitted approximately 300,000 years after the Big Bang, before which time space was so hot that protons and electrons existed only as free ions, making the universe opaque to radiation'.

The period after the formation of the first atoms and before the first stars is sometimes referred to as the Dark Age. Although photons exist, the universe at this time is literally dark, with no stars having formed to give off light. With only very diffuse matter remaining, activity in the universe has tailed off dramatically, with very low energy levels and very large time scales. Little of note happens during this period, and the universe is dominated by mysterious “dark matter”.
http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_bigbang_background.html

As there was nothing before the BB, including 'light' and 'dark', you could say, that as the universe was opaque after the BB, it created 'dark'. But that doesn't sound so good:

'Let there be Dark!'.
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If you say that the Big Bang created light you'd be wrong. It created microwave radiation, which is not light. In fact, the universe was opaque to radiation for thousands of years.

'This radiation was emitted approximately 300,000 years after the Big Bang, before which time space was so hot that protons and electrons existed only as free ions, making the universe opaque to radiation'.

The period after the formation of the first atoms and before the first stars is sometimes referred to as the Dark Age. Although photons exist, the universe at this time is literally dark, with no stars having formed to give off light. With only very diffuse matter remaining, activity in the universe has tailed off dramatically, with very low energy levels and very large time scales. Little of note happens during this period, and the universe is dominated by mysterious “dark matter”.
http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_bigbang_background.html

As there was nothing before the BB, including 'light' and 'dark', you could say, that as the universe was opaque after the BB, it created 'dark'. But that doesn't sound so good:

'Let there be Dark!'.
And of course you can show the science that "proves" something that happened so long ago, that many things must be assumed due to A and B. Let us see this so called science, not conjecture, to "prove" yourself.
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If you say that the Big Bang created light you'd be wrong. It created microwave radiation, which is not light. In fact, the universe was opaque to radiation for thousands of years.

'This radiation was emitted approximately 300,000 years after the Big Bang, before which time space was so hot that protons and electrons existed only as free ions, making the universe opaque to radiation'.

The period after the formation of the first atoms and before the first stars is sometimes referred to as the Dark Age. Although photons exist, the universe at this time is literally dark, with no stars having formed to give off light. With only very diffuse matter remaining, activity in the universe has tailed off dramatically, with very low energy levels and very large time scales. Little of note happens during this period, and the universe is dominated by mysterious “dark matter”.
http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_bigbang_background.html

As there was nothing before the BB, including 'light' and 'dark', you could say, that as the universe was opaque after the BB, it created 'dark'. But that doesn't sound so good:

'Let there be Dark!'.
Now, you're splitting hairs and you know it.
No matter how far down the road you kick the can, you wind up in the same place.
"Something" out side of space and time caused space and time to come into existence.
I believe that was "someone". I call Him "Father" and "Friend".
Even if string theory were correct, the strings could well be Fathers vocal chords.
Genesis 1:3
Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

In this case, His vocal chords would vibrate before causing the "Big Bang". Father is eternal, which is a concept we cannot even begin to comprehend inside this box.

Step out side that box, brother. When teaching a child "science", you don't start with E=MC2, do you? You put it in terms they can understand. Instead of an elaborate explanation taking up volumes and boring the non-interested into oblivion. You give them a basic understanding to pick their interest.
Btw, there is no sound in space.
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