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Old 02-13-2014, 06:29 AM
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Late last year the Pope was accused of being a marxist, which, if anyone know of that church is a very strange thing to say. An article of the period is as follows Pope Francis Rebukes "Marxist" Attack From Rush Limbaugh & Conservative Media | Blog | Media Matters for America:



Pope Francis Rebukes "Marxist" Attack From Rush Limbaugh & Conservative Media

Pope Francis pushed back on attacks from conservative media figures who described him as a "Marxist" after he commented on wealth inequality.

Pope Francis recently released Evangelii Gaudium, which included criticisms of the "idolatry of money" and wealth inequality around the world. In response, numerous conservative media figures attacked him.

Rush Limbaugh described the Pope's writings having "gone beyond Catholicism" and into "pure Marxism."

Other conservative media figures soon followed suit. Fox Business host Stuart Varney said the Pope was engaging in "neo-socialism" while Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano said the document "reveals a disturbing ignorance" by the Pope. FoxNews.com called him "the Catholic Church's Obama," adding, "God help us."

In an interview with Italy's La Stampa newspaper, Pope Francis defended his remarks: "Marxist ideology is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don't feel offended." He added, "There is nothing in the exhortation that cannot be found in the social doctrine of the church."

The Pope expanded on his critique of "trickle-down" economics, noting that "The promise was that when the glass was full, it would overflow, benefitting the poor. But what happens instead, is that when the glass is full, it magically gets bigger nothing ever comes out for the poor."




Pope Francis said the following: "Marxist ideology is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don't feel offended." He added, "There is nothing in the exhortation that cannot be found in the social doctrine of the church."



What are your thoughts concerning what he said?



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Old 02-13-2014, 05:24 PM
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Everybody, I'm not wanting to enter into any conflict regarding this subject. I'm only seeking to find out how people think concerning them. Your views would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 02-15-2014, 09:25 AM
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I personally think people like Rush take conservatism to far... they treat it like an infallible religion.

Democrats have lost their soul but Republicans are far from perfect... We are at a point where we need God more than ever - the only way to save this country is for people to repent and turn to Christ. Nothing else will work.

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Pope Francis recently released Evangelii Gaudium, which included criticisms of the "idolatry of money" and wealth inequality around the world.
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In response, numerous conservative media figures attacked him.

Rush Limbaugh described the Pope's writings having "gone beyond Catholicism" and into "pure Marxism."

Other conservative media figures soon followed suit. Fox Business host Stuart Varney said the Pope was engaging in "neo-socialism" while Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano said the document "reveals a disturbing ignorance" by the Pope. FoxNews.com called him "the Catholic Church's Obama," adding, "God help us."
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In an interview with Italy's La Stampa newspaper, Pope Francis defended his remarks: "Marxist ideology is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don't feel offended." He added, "There is nothing in the exhortation that cannot be found in the social doctrine of the church."

The Pope expanded on his critique of "trickle-down" economics, noting that "The promise was that when the glass was full, it would overflow, benefitting the poor. But what happens instead, is that when the glass is full, it magically gets bigger nothing ever comes out for the poor."[/b]
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I personally think people like Rush take conservatism to far... they treat it like an infallible religion.

Democrats have lost their soul but Republicans are far from perfect... We are at a point where we need God more than ever - the only way to save this country is for people to repent and turn to Christ. Nothing else will work.
What I don't like Rush Limbaugh is how he calls people names when they don't agree with him 100%. It's as if you must be a bad person with maybe bad motives if you don't agree with him.
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Old 02-17-2014, 06:51 AM
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Thank you, everyone, for giving your thoughts on this subject. I wonder how anyone could consider the Pope, or Catholicism for that matter as Marxist. It's social teaching was put into place in the heighth of the cold war and was intended as being a social bulwark against communism. I will be posting threads about this issue later in the year.

For those Catholics who have not shared your thoughts, I suppose you must mistrust this Pope for bringing up a part of the Church teaching that you dislike. Consider what he is saying.

He said, expanding on the failure of "trickle-down" economics, "The promise was that when the glass was full, it would overflow, benefitting the poor. But what happens instead, is that when the glass is full, it magically gets bigger nothing ever comes out for the poor." This is an apt description of what is happening in the United States. First we have the shipping of jobs overseas (many times at taxpayer expense), and, secondly, we are, with the absence of jobs, now seeing the cutting of of unemployment insurance, despite further tax cuts and handouts to the rich and multinational corporations. The middle class gets shafted and poverty increases.

I do ask all Catholics: Can you not see the reason for the Pope's frustration, his anger, even?

Is there any harm in giving him the benefit of the doubt?



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I think a problem here is that what Europeans consider to be centrist, most Americans consider to be leftist. The other problem is that Rush loves hyperbole. If you put those two together, Rush could call a European centrist a Marxist, the European centrist could fire back in protest, and there would be an element of truth to both sides.

This is one of those times when people need to actually read the transcripts of what both men said, which of course nobody is going to do. I listen to Rush all the time, so I know he is almost always misrepresented in the press. I am sure the Pope does not listen to Rush but was only told what the press said he said. And therein lies yet another problem: Misinformation from the press, which is nothing new.

I really wish the Church would steer clear of political issues like this. It never ends well.

EDIT: I know the Pope is not a European, but the same principal applies, plus almost all his advisors are European.
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^^^Thanks for your thoughts, Terry. I do await the other Catholics, who have not responded yet, to do so.



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Our Pope, God bless him, is not very astute in economics. What is most worrisome is that either his advisors are not very good, or he won't listen to them.
God gave us freedom; socialists, communists, and many church-people want to take most of it away from us. Jesus said give what you have to the poor, but he didn't try to force you and he didn't call for taxes or confiscation.
Francis will do better if he works to encourage and support our Church. He certainly didn't much help Argentina's economy, and Italy is on the brink of chaos. Let's hope he's not trying to take over the world.
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