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A friend of mine just sent me the following writing via E-mail:


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This man has put down on paper what many people are thinking, but are too cautious to express openly. I hope it never comes to what he is advocating, but I can certainly see where the possibility exists. God help us all if it ever does happen.
P.S. Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the author:
Dean Garrison (born 1955) is a contemporary American author and crime fiction novelist. He was born in Michigan , grew up in the Indiana , Illinois , and Texas , and received his B.A. degree from Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Michigan . Garrison is a Crime Scene Technician in West Michigan . His research in the fields of crime scene investigation and Shooting Reconstruction are widely published in forensic journals under the name of "D.H. Garrison, Jr."
Subject: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
Posted on January 3, 2013 by Dean Garrison.
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I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo and I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don’t think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash and I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, and let you decide what to do with those rights.
About a month ago I let the “democracy” word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It’s not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.

If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way. Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God? The truth is the truth. It doesn’t matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.

Our founders did not want a “democracy” for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an “immoral majority” developing within theAmerican People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.

Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Let’s look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin
Even 230+ years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government. We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans and African-Americans if this population can become corrupt.

I think in 2012 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president and voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.

Next I’d like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein or President Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution? A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State , the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008, a case of Columbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns. If you want to research this decision further you can start here.
For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. - Thomas Jefferson

Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. - George Washington

The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. - Samuel Adams
I could find hundreds of quotes like these. This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People” will lose our power of enforcement.
We need to keep this in mind as our “representatives” try to push gun bans. I don’t care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.

A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.

Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.
It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.
If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense and not talking about inciting a revolution. Re-read Jefferson’s quote. He talks about a “last resort.” I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority can not take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.

Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.

I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, and what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous and radical or subversive, and it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them and to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.

Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out and saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you don’t want to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small and growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives and anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list. I am not the “subversive” here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns and I leave a few of them wounded or dead, and I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison and may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.

If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty and yours. It is self-defense and it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s and we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.

This is a case of right and wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, and the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.

I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately. When push comes to shove many people may give up and submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.

I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I cannot tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a life of freedom or slavery.
You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon and I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon and my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.
I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that “We the People” will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us and we will act accordingly. We are within our rights to do so.

For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself a very important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have chosen your side.

Are you willing to die to take my guns?

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Through regulations, taxation, inflation of the money supply, trade restrictions, and tethers on private associations, government itself is nothing but a massive drain on prosperity. The situation has become deeply dangerous for the future of freedom in America, with young people unable to find jobs, opportunities being destroyed in sector after sector, banks and corporations living on the dole, and so many regulations that we are living under something nearly as egregious as Soviet-style central planning.
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:36 PM
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"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
The Founding Fathers on the Second Amendment

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If I have to fight and die in defense of what the forefathers of this country guaranteed was my inalienable right to bear arms, and especially when perverts are claiming they have every right to civil rights while seeking to pass legislation that potentially vacates the first amendment, that's what I'll do.

I'd rather die taking a few anti-gun terrorist government agents with me, so that those who live on will have a few less enemies to contend with, than to be a servant of tyranny, surrender the means of my self-defense when no government has any right to tell me I must be an unarmed victim to criminals who are so because they don't obey 'gun control' laws, and die a slave!

Live on your feet!
Or perish on your knees!

I don't intend to bow to anything but God.
And if I happen to have to do that after a bullet finds me, it is my intention to afford the inalienable right to guarantee to the best of my ability, I'll have the company of my shooter(s) with me!

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I mentioned in another post that paranoia seems to be running quite high in a lot of posts these days. What on earth is going on?

It seems to be literally impossible to get across to an American the astonishment that someone from outside the US feels when you guys go on about fighting your own government to uphold your rights to own umpteen kinds of assault weapons.

A friend of mine related recently a discussion he had with an American visitor to his home. The guy asked, quite naturally it seemed to him, where he (my friend) kept his weapons. He actually used the word 'weapons'. 'What weapons?' was the question we all asked him as we listened. And then the penny dropped.

He was told that people didn't keep weapons in Australia. Unless they were farmers. My friend said he wasn't sure who was the more astonished. Him or the American.

It is impossible for us to get our heads around the American attitude to guns. And it appears that it's equally impossible for you guys to understand our bemusement.

That is not to say that guns aren't used by the bad guys here. But hardly anyone gets shot - except other bad guys. If any 'innocent by-stander' catches a bullet it is front page news.

My son-in-law was manager of a large pub some time back and he was held up at gun point twice. The gun was for show - no-one got hurt but I dread to think what would have happened had someone in the bar been carrying a firearm. My daughter would, in all probability, be widow.

There really needs to be a change in attitude. But I can't see that happening, I'm afraid.
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I'd rather die taking a few anti-gun terrorist government agents with me, so that those who live on will have a few less enemies to contend with, than to be a servant of tyranny, surrender the means of my self-defense when no government has any right to tell me I must be an unarmed victim to criminals who are so because they don't obey 'gun control' laws, and die a slave.
This reads like a badly written speech that a gimlet eyed Chuck Norris might say in a very bad B movie. It's the part of the movie where you think: good grief...who would actually talk like that. It's the bit where you actually feel embarrassed that someone is actually saying it out loud.
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How Australia disarmed everyone except the crims
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How Australia disarmed everyone except the crims.
Let's look at some verifiable conclusions in regard to tighter gun controls:

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Significant and dramatic declines in rates of firearm related deaths occurred in Victoria and Australia after periods of strong legislative reform.

Statistically significant reductions in firearm related suicides were observed after legislative reforms.

In 2000, rates of firearm related deaths were less than two per 100 000 population for Victoria and Australia compared with 10.4 per 100 000 population for the United States.

In Victoria, reductions in the numbers of registered firearms of 25% and of licensed shooters of 15% were seen over the four years between 1997–98 and 2000–01." Firearm related deaths: the impact of regulatory reform -- Ozanne-Smith et al. 10 (5): 280 -- Injury Prevention

Now which do you think is more credible? A puff piece from some guys who had lost their toys (and any new legislation would have allowed them to keep them, albeit with stricter controls on how they were stored) or a professionally produced unbiased report.

In fact, you won't find any credible results that show anything other than a reduction in all gun related deaths in Australia since the advent of stricter controls.

And does that stop criminals getting guns? Obviously not. Case in point being my son-in-laws experience (not including a third ocassion when a 7/11 was held up while he and my daughter were there). But it prevents unnecessary deaths that occur when every man and his dog has access to firearms.

God only knows if it would work in the US. But don't give me any crap about it not working here.
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Crime stats: Australia vs United States
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They can have my bb gun, I never use it anyways. I support the right of those who wish to keep thier guns, gun control doesnt really work all that well. The criminals (to include corrupt goverment enforcers) can still get guns when responsible citizens cant.
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I'm not sure you've hot a handle on this debate business, Grace. If you want to make a point about gun controls not working and want to compare gun related crime in the US with Australia, it might not be a good idea to link to a page that shows in every case that Australia has a fraction of the problem that America has.

In fact, if I had come across that page myself, I would have given you the link to prove my point.
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Had you you would have lost your point!

Oh, I'm quite sure how the debate bit works.
As I was just as sure you wouldn't read the advanced view of that table all the way to the end.
When you imply gun control, as what exists in Australia, is superior to making a nation safer you hope people will infer that less guns insure less crime.

That table shows that Australia outranks America in Total Crime Victims*!(*As a percent of the total population.

Australia is ranked 1st! At 30.1% that's 43% more than the United States.Which is ranked 15th with but 21.1% of "Total Crime Victims".


By the way, America in that respect,i.e. population, ranks 3rd. While Australia ranks at 53rd.

Yet, the table shows amid that population the Total of Crime victims within that 53rd ranked population of Australia, it ranks higher in Total Crime Victims, than does the U.S. who's population is counted higher and ranked 3rd!

Outlawing guns did a bang up job for Australians compared to the U.S. when it comes to total crime victims, hey mate?
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