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Old 05-08-2012, 07:04 AM
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From the Catholic Answers' acclaimed "Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics"

"The Five Non-Negotiables"



Five items that no Catholic can vote in favor of:

1. Abortion: The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is "never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it" (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide. The unborn child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child's, who should not suffer death for others' sins. Another sub-set issue within this subject area that is non-negotiable pertains to Human Reproductive Technologies, which includes the Church’s position against Contraception, In-Vitro Fertilization and Sterilization.

2. Euthanasia: Often disguised by the name "mercy killing;' euthanasia is also a form of homicide. No person has a right to take his own life, and no one has the right to take the life of any innocent person. In euthanasia, the ill or elderly are killed, by action or omission, out of a misplaced sense of compassion, but true compassion cannot include intentionally doing something intrinsically evil to another person (cf. EV 73).

3. Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Human embryos are human beings. "Respect for the dignity of the human being excludes all experimental manipulation or exploitation of the human embryo" (CRF 4b). Recent scientific advances show that medical treatments that researchers hope to develop from experimentation on embryonic stem cells can often be developed by using adult stem cells instead. Adult stem cells can be obtained without doing harm to the adults from whom they come. Thus there is no valid medical argument in favor of using embryonic stem cells. And even if there were benefits to be had from such experiments, they would not justify destroying innocent embryonic humans.

4. Human Cloning: "Attempts ... for obtaining a human being without any connection with sexuality through ‘twin fission,’ cloning, or parthenogenesis are to be considered contrary to the moral law, since they are in opposition to the dignity both of human procreation and of the conjugal union" (RHL 1:6). Human cloning also involves abortion because the "rejected" or "unsuccessful" embryonic clones are destroyed, yet each clone is a human being.

5. Homosexual "Marriage": True marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Legal recognition of any other union as "marriage" undermines true marriage, and legal recognition of homosexual unions actually does homosexual persons a disfavor by encouraging them to persist in what is an objectively immoral arrangement. "When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time ina legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral" (UHP 10).
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It seems to me there is a distinction between saying, this is the official teaching of the church and saying that society must legislate that position.

For example the Catholic Church does not marry quadriplegics but doesn’t say that voters must vote to prevent quadriplegics from accessing civil marriage.

Thus couldn’t one be a serious Catholic and support the teachings of the church without voting for laws that would apply those moral beliefs of the Catholic Church to everyone?
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the Catholic Church does not marry quadriplegics but doesn’t say that voters must vote to prevent quadriplegics from accessing civil marriage..........
Who said the Catholic Church does not marry quadriplegics?

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.........Thus couldn’t one be a serious Catholic and support the teachings of the church without voting for laws that would apply those moral beliefs of the Catholic Church to everyone?
No, they can't. And frankly, that goes for any Christian, not just Catholics.

We are all called to conform the world to Christ, not let Christ take a back seat to the world.
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Who said the Catholic Church does not marry quadriplegics?
They don’t and the argument is that impotence is grounds for annulment.

Just Google “Paraplegic man denied church wedding” and the 5th result should be the story at Catholic Culture.Org.


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No, they can't. And frankly, that goes for any Christian, not just Catholics.

We are all called to conform the world to Christ, not let Christ take a back seat to the world.
So in that case a Christian would be bound to vote for laws that banned the worship of any other god other then the Christian God right? After all if they didn’t support such legislation they would be in conflict with the 10 commandments, which clearly says that we are to have no gods before Him, and as you just said we are supposed to conform the world to Christ.
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I believe they can marry (Paraplegic)... the person you are referring to must be impotent
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:Homosexual "Marriage": True marriage is the union of one man and one woman.
"President Barack Obama, marking the end a prolonged "evolution" on the issue, now supports gay marriage, he declared in a US television interview today".

Read more: President Barack Obama Supports Gay Marriage In ABC Interview

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Human embryos are human beings. "Respect for the dignity of the human being excludes all experimental manipulation or exploitation of the human embryo"
Chris Matthews: And you won’t take any (embryos) from these fertility clinics to use (for stem cell research) either?

Romney: I’m happy to allow that...
May 3, 2007; MSNBC/Politico Republican Presidential Debate, Ronald Regan Presidential Library, Simi Valley Romney on Stem Cell Research

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Who said the Catholic Church does not marry quadriplegics?
They don’t and the argument is that impotence is grounds for annulment.

Just Google “Paraplegic man denied church wedding” and the 5th result should be the story at Catholic Culture.Org........
I read it. As a man who is more well versed in his faith than the average Catholic, that story strikes me as an anomoly. We are talking about one bishop in one town in Italy who refused one wedding. No Canon Law number was cited, no Catechism section was offered to back up the refusal.

An annulment is when two people seek a ruling that a marriage was never valid in the first place. But a priest or bishop cannot refuse a marriage just because they think its possible that the couple might seek an annulment in the future. If that were the litmus test then nobody could ever get married!

My first impression is, that bishop screwed the pooch. There is no Canon Law that forbids the marriage of quadriplegics. But this is all a tangential issue.

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No, they can't. And frankly, that goes for any Christian, not just Catholics. We are all called to conform the world to Christ, not let Christ take a back seat to the world.
.......So in that case a Christian would be bound to vote for laws that banned the worship of any other god other then the Christian God right?.......
Wrong. Free will and free choice are the right of all men, a God given liberty. We respect the right of free people to worship as they choose. Abortion, on the other hand, is the willfull murder of an innocent human. The two are nowehere near the same in gravity.
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I read it. As a man who is more well versed in his faith than the average Catholic, that story strikes me as an anomoly.
My first impression is, that bishop screwed the pooch. There is no Canon Law that forbids the marriage of quadriplegics. But this is all a tangential issue.
It is tangential it was just one example, the one I used in my last post was better.


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Wrong. Free will and free choice our the right of all men, a God given liberty. We respect the right of free people to worship as they choose. Abortion, on the other hand, is the willfull murder of an innocent human. The two are nowehere near the same in gravity.
I should have clarified, my issue was not with the abortion point but with the following four all of which I see as having far more wiggle room then the first. But again the individual issues are more up for debate on a case by case basis then the central idea.

Now given what you just said my original statement is true at least in some cases. Here it is again.

“Thus couldn’t one be a serious Catholic and support the teachings of the church without voting for laws that would apply those moral beliefs of the Catholic Church to everyone?”

In this case one could support the teaching of the church that we are to have no gods before the one true God, without voting for a law that would legislate this moral belief on everyone.

As you rightly pointed out that would violate their God given liberty and so there is a principle that could allow Christians to not support laws that would force others to follow Christian teachings if it violates their freedom and liberty. Now clearly this principle would apply more to certain cases then others but again that’s when we have to evaluate on an issue by issue basis.
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Its almost that time again folks, election time, time to oust the Democrat party purveyors of lies and destruction, and restore our representative republic with people true to the Constitution and traditional American values.
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From the Catholic Answers' acclaimed "Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics"

"The Five Non-Negotiables"



Five items that no Catholic can vote in favor of:

1. Abortion: The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is "never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it" (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide. The unborn child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child's, who should not suffer death for others' sins. Another sub-set issue within this subject area that is non-negotiable pertains to Human Reproductive Technologies, which includes the Church’s position against Contraception, In-Vitro Fertilization and Sterilization.

2. Euthanasia: Often disguised by the name "mercy killing;' euthanasia is also a form of homicide. No person has a right to take his own life, and no one has the right to take the life of any innocent person. In euthanasia, the ill or elderly are killed, by action or omission, out of a misplaced sense of compassion, but true compassion cannot include intentionally doing something intrinsically evil to another person (cf. EV 73).

3. Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Human embryos are human beings. "Respect for the dignity of the human being excludes all experimental manipulation or exploitation of the human embryo" (CRF 4b). Recent scientific advances show that medical treatments that researchers hope to develop from experimentation on embryonic stem cells can often be developed by using adult stem cells instead. Adult stem cells can be obtained without doing harm to the adults from whom they come. Thus there is no valid medical argument in favor of using embryonic stem cells. And even if there were benefits to be had from such experiments, they would not justify destroying innocent embryonic humans.

4. Human Cloning: "Attempts ... for obtaining a human being without any connection with sexuality through ‘twin fission,’ cloning, or parthenogenesis are to be considered contrary to the moral law, since they are in opposition to the dignity both of human procreation and of the conjugal union" (RHL 1:6). Human cloning also involves abortion because the "rejected" or "unsuccessful" embryonic clones are destroyed, yet each clone is a human being.

5. Homosexual "Marriage": True marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Legal recognition of any other union as "marriage" undermines true marriage, and legal recognition of homosexual unions actually does homosexual persons a disfavor by encouraging them to persist in what is an objectively immoral arrangement. "When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time ina legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral" (UHP 10).
Time to bump up the good old voter's guide.
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