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Old 09-08-2018, 07:57 AM
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I don’t care what denomination upholds this mess, and there are a number of them. Can it be considered the Church of Christ who maintains the illegal notion that our immigration system is "broken"?

How they love to recite: “I Was a Stranger and You Welcomed Me” while indirectly suggesting this provides a righteous pathway that removes the offender’s and facilitator’s lawlessness.
I think we are missing the boat by accepting the terms offered by people who are in favor of this. It isn’t immigration. Under no definition can we call what is happening on our Southern border immigration, legal or illegal. It is an invasion. It’s an invasion of a certain type of person from certain parts of the world for whatever reason. They are fleeing poverty, they are fleeing war, they are fleeing destitution or they are seeking — in some cases, I’m sure — a better life.

They all are. But there’s no aspect of this that is immigration, and to deal with this under the auspices of so-called immigration law makes it sound like we don’t have any immigration law to deal with it. We do! We just are not enforcing it. So the desire to set up new law, come up with new laws and new procedures to deal with this is brilliant and purposeful in convincing people — or trying to convince people — that we have no system in place to deal with this, when we do.


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Old 09-08-2018, 11:51 AM
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Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

Lawbreaking, especially when it is done to advance a lie and an evil agenda, is not acceptable.

On the other hand, nuns broke the "law" when they hid Jews from the Nazis. That sort of lawbreaking is not a sin.

You have to examine each case on a case-by-case basis. The knowledge or ignorance of the lawbreaker and also their intent are mitigating factors, and probably only God will ever know what those are.
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Old 09-08-2018, 09:18 PM
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Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

Lawbreaking, especially when it is done to advance a lie and an evil agenda, is not acceptable.

On the other hand, nuns broke the "law" when they hid Jews from the Nazis. That sort of lawbreaking is not a sin.

You have to examine each case on a case-by-case basis. The knowledge or ignorance of the lawbreaker and also their intent are mitigating factors, and probably only God will ever know what those are.
At bit-of-a-loss. I mean unless some fairly extensive amendments have occurred since Rush referenced that in '15, the "case-by-case" would have to be quite infrequent if that law were enforced.

Speaking of which, myself not having looked into the rigors of the pathway to citizenship as it stands, is it all that demanding? I have friends who have made it through and they gave me no qualms except for the fact that the illegal invader is getting away with figurative and literal-murder.

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Old 09-09-2018, 05:45 PM
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Is this it, just forget what’s on the books, and dissolve the border for the entrance of the “refugee”?

Recently, an excess of 750 faith leaders, organizations who were troubled by our “historically low refugee admissions into the United States” signed onto a letter to fire off to Donald Trump and members of Congress on August 21st of this year. Here, an excerpt of that letter which I now cannot access,
“For decades, people of faith have welcomed refugees into our homes, houses of worship, and communities. Refugees are powerful ambassadors of our founding principles of equal opportunity, religious freedom, and liberty and justice for all, ,“
“Justice”? What about God’s justice? All the elaborate wording available to man to describe the refugee’s plight will not hide another, will they be equally concerned over that so we can begin to reduce our own existence into that which they’re fleeing from?
“Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake:
whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors,
as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment
of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

For so is the will of God”


1 Peter 2:13-15
If someone from their camp advised me that their only concern was to further the thing in what got us here; relativism, I guess we may as well admit it, God’s choice of method to expose His wrath will use whatever means necessary to bring them back. God does not change!

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Old 09-09-2018, 05:58 PM
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I was generalizing.

Specifically to immigration; the laws are not "broken". Thats a political slogan, not a factual statement.

Everything Rush said is correct.
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May I remind everyone that God commanded Jerusalem to have walls for a reason.
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